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sdskinsfan2001 07-19-2011, 03:33 PM There is a floor, it will be salaries + cash bonuses (signing or otherwise).
But just because the floor is close to the cap doesn't mean deadcap is limited to the difference. Signing bonuses don't all hit the cap in the current year, they are allocated to future seasons.
It's entirely possible to pay out $140 million in cash in a given year, and at the same tiem have a cap number less than $120 million.
Ok, thats what was confusing me. I thought that if we got above 12 million in dead cap we wouldnt be able reach the cap floor. Thats the way that it seemed to read to me when I was looking at different articles.
But im assuming owners want to be between the cap floor and max cap every season and not being paying the max plus extra millions in dead cap salaries.
Schneed10 07-19-2011, 03:41 PM Ok, thats what was confusing me. I thought that if we got above 12 million in dead cap we wouldnt be able reach the cap floor. Thats the way that it seemed to read to me when I was looking at different articles.
But im assuming owners want to be between the cap floor and max cap every season and not being paying the max plus extra millions in dead cap salaries.
True. That would be the most effective use of your funds. Of course to make it happen your players have to meet up to the standards called for by their contracts.
SmootSmack 07-20-2011, 09:39 AM Some good info here from Andrew Brandt on the cap, starts at around the 3:10 mark. One thing I think we've only mentioned here once, if at all, that's often forgotten is the cash minimum must be met by the end of the year not before.
Andrew Brandt, NFL - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6784313)
sdskinsfan2001 07-20-2011, 04:26 PM Per John Clayton today:
Washington $10.6 million under
Im gonna stop trying to figure out the salary cap because it just doesnt make sense. Our payroll is only 75 million or so and we need to spend at least 108 million but yet we are only 10.6 under in cap room. No sense what so ever.
If its dead cap why doesnt he just say that? Clayton doesnt write like thats what he is talking about.
Best to just leave the cap stuff to the experts.
GTripp0012 07-20-2011, 04:37 PM Per John Clayton today:
Washington $10.6 million under
Im gonna stop trying to figure out the salary cap because it just doesnt make sense. Our payroll is only 75 million or so and we need to spend at least 108 million but yet we are only 10.6 under in cap room. No sense what so ever.
If its dead cap why doesnt he just say that? Clayton doesnt write like thats what he is talking about.His numbers and my numbers (Halsell's numbers) don't agree, but that's likely because of the way that the McNabb deal is being included in the accounting values. The fact that it's pretty much a done deal that he won't be here in Week 1 makes the $20 million under cap figure the most accurate to date.
Either way, the deadcap is a substantial portion of our finances this year, and a big reason that we'll almost certainly be near the cap in 2011 despite spending a ton of money, and then we'll probably have a lot more money to spend in 2012.
Schneed10 07-20-2011, 05:35 PM Tripp, do you have a link to your source showing that we're at a cap number of $93 million now?
EDIT: Nevermind I see it now.
The link to Tandler, (who is apparently quoting Halsell), indicates that the Redskins current cap number is currently $93 million INCLUSIVE of Haynesworth and McNabb. That means Tandler/Halsell think we have $27 million in space even before jettisoning Haynesworth and McNabb.
Clayton however thinks we are $10 million under, and he surely isn't considering Haynesworth and McNabb gone at this point, so it's not those two bums that explain the big difference.
The only thing I can think of is Clayton is working from Haynesworth's unadjusted contract. But somehow somebody is very wrong, either Tandler/Halsell or Clayton are way off on their numbers.
skinster 07-20-2011, 06:11 PM There is a floor, it will be salaries + cash bonuses (signing or otherwise).
But just because the floor is close to the cap doesn't mean deadcap is limited to the difference. Signing bonuses don't all hit the cap in the current year, they are allocated to future seasons.
It's entirely possible to pay out $140 million in cash in a given year, and at the same tiem have a cap number less than $120 million.
Ok, so I'd like some things clarified. When you say cash bonuses apply to the salary floor, does that include the cash bonuses left of players cut that get paid out? I think examples might help clarify. Like how will Andre Carter, Clinton Portis, Donovan Mcnabb, Albert Haynesworth being cut affect the salary floor and the salary cap respectively.
sdskinsfan2001 07-20-2011, 06:16 PM The only thing I can think of is Clayton is working from Haynesworth's unadjusted contract. But somehow somebody is very wrong, either Tandler/Halsell or Clayton are way off on their numbers.
Yeah thats what I kept saying to myself because I read a couple Clayton articles and they do not match up at all with the Redskins.com links I have been reading.
We have A LOT of money to sign people. The fans deserve one good free agency period. I don't care about quantity of players I just want quality. Whether its 2 superstars or 8 role players I just hope that our off season is effective. We should be able to patch quite a few holes.
JoeRedskin 07-20-2011, 06:52 PM I really don't care how much we have or spend, just so long as what we DO spend - we spend on quality guys who will be more than a two year band-aid.
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