Joe Gibbs...YOU CAN'T BE F*@%ING CONSERVATIVE ALL THE TIME!!!!!

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RedskinRat
12-26-2004, 08:39 PM
There is no way Smoot goes. He's a core Redskin.

Beemnseven
12-26-2004, 08:47 PM
Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?

BossHog
12-26-2004, 08:51 PM
I like Smoot. He played well this year and I agree he was our best CB last year. He's gonna play play hardball with contract negotiations though and that's the nature of the business. If there's another solid CB available for less dough he's replaceable in this system. Heck, look how Springs career was resurrected.

Gmanc711
12-26-2004, 08:55 PM
Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?




Springs was covering the play in the flats, Taylor was supposed to be the saftey help over the top. Its hard to say whos fault it was without knowing the actual play assignments. I think it was Taylor that had that guy.

Bunglehead
12-26-2004, 08:59 PM
Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?

I agree, Beemnseven. Taylor damn near came back and made the play, while Springs Jammed at the line but then let the receiver go. Taylor was, after all, covering Keyshawn Johnson, and to his credit broke off of that coverage as soon as he recognized the deep pass. He was only a split second too late to either cause an incompletion or make the tackle. Springs was on the wide-out all the way and just got burnt. My argument is that they should have stayed with the blitz, which had been working so well, and not given Testaverde a chance to drop back and throw that perfect pass to begin with. :Flush:

skin4Life28
12-26-2004, 09:05 PM
It was both there faults, but I am not blaming anyone. Deep ball they caught it tough shit. I have seen worse losses in my life time. Thats why 5-9 teams do not belong in the playoffs. They cannot stop the big play as far as Browns fumble goes that is what killed us. Giving the Boy's another chance "tisk tisk". I am not going to bash Taylor the man is not perfect people cannot expect him to stop every play. Ed reed can't even do that. Just another loss, lets get ready for next week. We have a very tough test against the Vikes, especially with the loss of Smoot. We will see who will be here next year in the secondary. Another BRILLANT game by Mr. Peirce the man just flat out has so much heart and is leading this defense. I really loved when he called that timeout in the fourth because some screw up did not cover a reciever then yelled at him like a boyfriend catching his girl cheating on him "CLASSIC". That is what a leader does he raises his voice in a time of need. Portis going down today I feel was the biggest blow we became so one dimensional and Ramsey just showed me again why I am not sold on him. Mr. Inconsistency I say I know those picks were not his, but he looked scared today. For two series I just watched his feet and boy a track runner doesn't move his feet that much. Also with this loss we moved up like 6 spots in the draft. Well I have spoken my mind bring on the bashing I'm here all week.

BossHog
12-26-2004, 09:08 PM
Why is this all Sean Taylor's fault? Many posts on this thread point to him getting burned because he's a rookie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shawn Springs the cornerback covering on that play?

Well from what I saw and what the commentator pointed out, a lot of times our defense leaves the flats open. Running a two minute offense without any timeouts, DAL was likely to use the sidelines to control the clock, as supposed to throwing a completion in the middle of he field and having to spike the ball. This is the reason DAL was able to march down the field often in the second half. On the DAL TD, apparently G. Williams wanted to give Testicleverde a different look. From what I saw, Springs was playing a 'flat zone' (that's why he, with not much effort, jammed the WR before letting him release). Now if you remember, or if you watch the play again, there was a WR in the slot (Keyshawn?!) on the same side who ran a deep post. That put a lot of pressure on Sean Taylor as it would on any other safety in the league. And again, without a really good pass rush, that allowed the WRs to get deeper into the secondary where there was little help. I'll say it again. It would've been a better play if Springs would have blitzed. I expect G. Williams thought he could get an INT if a DAL WR ran a 'out' and Springs was playing a flat zone.

Daseal
12-26-2004, 11:31 PM
Guys: I agree that putting the ball in our defenses hands isn't the worst thing in the world, but please. 3 runs up the middle? HOW can you possibly defend that. We hadn't gotten any yards on the previous two plays and the 3rd we would rip it up. I'm sorry, but if we get a first down who cares if they still have one more TO, we can run the clock way down and seal it. Conservative football has burned us so many times. It's infuriating.

Gmanc711
12-27-2004, 12:26 AM
Normally I agree that Gibbs is too conservative. However, I agree with how he went about it at the end of the game, trying to run the clock out. Thats just how you do it. As somone pointed out, The Cheifs did the same thing yetserday, and should have lost the game because of it. I think our goaline playcalling is awful, but in the situation, I dont think the calling was too conservaitve, I think its just what you do. The Game as a whole, yeah, theres things we could have done different, but as for running out the clock, I think you run the ball.

SmootSmack
12-27-2004, 01:05 AM
Normally I agree that Gibbs is too conservative. However, I agree with how he went about it at the end of the game, trying to run the clock out. Thats just how you do it. As somone pointed out, The Cheifs did the same thing yetserday, and should have lost the game because of it. I think our goaline playcalling is awful, but in the situation, I dont think the calling was too conservaitve, I think its just what you do. The Game as a whole, yeah, theres things we could have done different, but as for running out the clock, I think you run the ball.

I absolutely agree with you. It's easy to say we should have attacked at the end of the game. But why take that risk? Stay simple, protect the ball, hope to get a first down. Don't try any trickery or more importantly risk an unecessary turnover.

Our defense is our strength so why wouldn't we put the game in their hands?

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