Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

I second that and for that matter, I would take Monk over Rice any day.

You would take Art Monk over Jerry Rice any day?

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NOT at all. Jerry Rice is the best I ever saw but I was curious who someone else might have at #1.

TO has HOF numbers.
But because of his character I wouldn't vote him into the Freddy Froodle Football Farm of Fame.

Well, Character is not supposed to be counted in the decision making. Thats why Monk was not voted in for so long. Supposedly. If it was about character just about everyone said Monk would have been in a long time ago.

I agree with many of the post on this thread:

1) Media should not be the ones determining who gets in. Current player, former players, current and former coaches and GM's should be the one.

2) TO is a great WR but since he was at times a selfish and disruptive teammate he should go in on his second or third ballot. Not first.

3) Rule Changes - I am tired of hearing some current player is statistically the best ever. Beginning in the 80's through today the rules have been changed to INCREASE offense and TV RATINGS.
TO and other recent WR's and QB's have benefitted statistically from these rule changes.
Back in the day, if the ball was not in the air the WR was going to get hit, held, disrupted from his pass route and timing with the QB. It was legal. Todays WR get a free pass once they are 3 yard off the line of scrimmage compared to past players.

Let me pose a question:

Would you want TO in his prime on your team, knowing that he will cause major problems at some point?
his issue with the eagles was money. could have easily been handled by the eagle front office. but they chose to play hard ball. so i guess my answer to your question is yes. the redskins have NEVER had a receiver the caliber of Owens in his prime. closest thing was Taylor

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Tom Fears baby. :silly:

and how does one "carry" ones self like a hall of famer? like LT? this shouldnt matter at all. hell, a murderer is in the hall
While LT was a slimeball off the field, he was a real leader and contributor to his team.

Over Rice? I love Monk but let's come back down to reality.

Who did Monk have for QB's and who did Rice have? Monk's #'s with 1 good QB and 2 average QB are impressive, what would he have done with back to back HOF QB's. Don't under estimate Monk.

Who did Monk have for QB's and who did Rice have? Monk's #'s with 1 good QB and 2 average QB are impressive, what would he have done with back to back HOF QB's. Don't under estimate Monk.

Montana had success before Jerry Rice. Steve Young however would not be in the HOF without have the benefit of Rice's talent.

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Fred Biletnikoff or Raymond Berry


I can't decide!