Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

You don't consider Art Monk a great wide receiver?
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He WAS great. However, Rice was the GOAT. You just can't compare ANYONE with Rice. This can be said without denigrating or disrespecting Monk or anyone else you're talking about.

It's like talking about Michael Jordan in basketball. Yes, there WERE other great players, but they're not Mike.

Rice vs. Monk is about equivalent to talking about Jordan vs. Dr. J.

first doesnt read well. he said almost. and if you are implying winning a superbowl is a criteria for the HOF, then they really made a big mistake enrolling marino.

No I read just fine. If you read this a knew TO never won a SB then you knew what he was saying if you did not know you could take that either way.

"few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl"

there goes any of your cred. you would honestly put Mcnair in and not Owens?

Look what McNair contributed to the TEAM. Rice was a team player, Owens plays for himself. I don't think Owens made the TEAM better - just look at Dallas with and without him.

He was signed to a 7-year deal & only played 1 year before complaining & asking for a new deal. When he didn't get what he wanted, he began the childish antics, working out in his driveway, dissing McNabb & others, etc. Sure the Eagles got him for less than he could've gotten elsewhere, but remember that he & Drew R. orchestrated the trade after he was initially sent to Baltimore.

I don't see what's wrong about getting a raise. How he went about it was terrible, but the 2004 Eagles were dominant with McNabb and TO.

I think TO was probably worst with the Cowboys, but they were also pretty dysfunctional.

I can tell you two other players that have done worst (similar) things than TO:
- Haynesworth's saga with the Redskins
- R. Moss giving up at the end of his time in Minny and the whole time he was with the Raiders

I don't think anyone will defend what TO did, but I just don't think those actions are terrible enough to keep him out of the HOF.

Look what McNair contributed to the TEAM. Rice was a team player, Owens plays for himself. I don't think Owens made the TEAM better - just look at Dallas with and without him.
au contraire, mon fraire. i seem to remember on more then one occasion Rice bitching and moaning about not getting the ball enough. or the niners not running enough plays for him. the same thing people are chastising Owens for

However, there has been one unhappy side effect: Rice has felt threatened by the presence of Owens and Stokes. Though he's tied for the lead in the NFC with 69 receptions, Rice has twice complained about not getting enough balls thrown his way. Most recently, after San Francisco's 31-20 victory over the New Orleans Saints on Nov. 22 (the 49ers were sparked by a pair of Owens touchdown catches), Rice suggested he might retire because of his frustration with his role.

au contraire, mon fraire. i seem to remember on more then one occasion Rice bitching and moaning about not getting the ball enough. or the niners not running enough plays for him. the same thing people are chastising Owens for

All receivers want the ball. When Rice joined a team, they were better. When he left, they felt the loss (except the Seahawks). When TO joined a team, there was not much effect. You can claim the Eagles, but they went to how many NFC Championship games without TO? They were bound to finally get over the hump, just like Bill Cowher with the Steelers. The Eagles were solid contenders before TO.

How much better did the cowboys do when they signed him?

Dude, McNabb had his best season EVER with T.O. It's not even close.

3,875 yards is the second most for McNabb. 64% completion percentage is a career high. 31 touchdowns, eight interceptions and his highest ever quarterback rating period. Yeah, they went to a bunch of NFC Championship games without T.O, but T.O helped them get over the hump without a doubt.

Dude, McNabb had his best season EVER with T.O. It's not even close.

3,875 yards is the second most for McNabb. 64% completion percentage is a career high. 31 touchdowns, eight interceptions and his highest ever quarterback rating period. Yeah, they went to a bunch of NFC Championship games without T.O, but T.O helped them get over the hump without a doubt.

OK, you are talking numbers - I am talking success. They went to how many NFC Championship games before T.O. got there? Terrell did not make his teams significantly better. Look at the Eagles before he got there, and while he was there. Look at the Cowboys before he got there, and after he was there. Should we even mention Buffalo? If he was THAT good, teams would do what they had to to keep him. Dude is a cancer.

Oh yea, he did not help them "get over the hump". The hump results in a Lombardi trophy, which the Eagles still don't have.

T.O. is clearly not a first ballot HOFer. He had the talent, but not the mentality.

I think there are four hall of fame receivers from the current era: Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, and Derrick Mason.

Carter, and hopefully Tim Brown, need to go into Canton in the next two years before Harrison is eligible and then Owens and Moss shortly thereafter.