Same-Sex Marriage!! Your Thoughts

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BringBackJoeT
06-28-2011, 02:29 PM
This can not be a state issue as there are interstate matters to consider. Let's also not forget the equal protection is a constructional issue. A same sex married couple should be able to move freely to other states much like married couple of opposite sex.

There isn't any chance that the current make-up of the Supreme Court is going to find a sufficient connection between interstate commerce and marriage to make this a federal issue that Congress has the authority to make law on. No chance. In fact, I wonder whether even Breyer or Kagan would buy that argument. (The fact that NY stands to attract additional tourism, as some news stories have suggested, won't be enough). Second, equal protection might be invoked, but the argument would fare only slightly better than the first. If you're being discriminated against under a state law, and you are not alleging discrimination based on race or religious affiliation, the deck is stacked against you. In the Sup. ct. decision that struck down the Texas law that banned homosexual sex, O'Connor wrote a concurring opinion that the Texas law violated the EP clause. She was the only justice who believed that. And with regard to the constitutional right to travel being violated by the denial of same-sex partners to marry, that's kinda weak.

I'd like to see the NY story played out all over the country, but marriage equality ain't going to be delivered by the Supremes.

firstdown
06-28-2011, 05:38 PM
Not to speak for the guy, but he raises one of the most common points conservatives/members of the far right bring up when opposing gay marriage:

* Please note, this is not my view, just the view that I've heard from republicans on the issue. *

They will say, that gay people are not denied any civil rights to marry. They can get married just like heterosexual people can. They just can't marry members of the same sex -- and neither can heterosexuals. In other words, nobody is being denied any civil rights. They'll say homosexuals are asking for special rights.

I swear I have never heard that point of view. It makes sense.

Dirtbag59
06-28-2011, 05:41 PM
See like this post. Buster got the OP mixed up with Dirtbag but he could never admit that too SS.

Smootsmack is to Dirtbag what Dave Semenko was to Wayne Gretzky. Hey look at all this extra room I have to skate.

SmootSmack
06-28-2011, 05:52 PM
Smootsmack is to Dirtbag what Dave Semenko was to Wayne Gretzky. Hey look at all this extra room I have to skate.

Que??

12thMan
06-28-2011, 05:55 PM
There isn't any chance that the current make-up of the Supreme Court is going to find a sufficient connection between interstate commerce and marriage to make this a federal issue that Congress has the authority to make law on. No chance. In fact, I wonder whether even Breyer or Kagan would buy that argument. (The fact that NY stands to attract additional tourism, as some news stories have suggested, won't be enough). Second, equal protection might be invoked, but the argument would fare only slightly better than the first. If you're being discriminated against under a state law, and you are not alleging discrimination based on race or religious affiliation, the deck is stacked against you. In the Sup. ct. decision that struck down the Texas law that banned homosexual sex, O'Connor wrote a concurring opinion that the Texas law violated the EP clause. She was the only justice who believed that. And with regard to the constitutional right to travel being violated by the denial of same-sex partners to marry, that's kinda weak.

I'd like to see the NY story played out all over the country, but marriage equality ain't going to be delivered by the Supremes.

agreed.

Longtimefan
06-28-2011, 07:28 PM
Our view: Gay marriage not over finish line yet - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-06-28-Gay-marriage-not-over-finish-line-yet_n.htm)

Beemnseven
06-28-2011, 07:41 PM
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I swear I have never heard that point of view. It makes sense.

Yeah, but I don't agree. Heterosexuals can marry the person they truly love, but homosexuals can't. Sorry, but that ain't right.

As to the 'special rights' argument, that doesn't work either, because if gay marriage is allowed, at that point both heterosexuals and homosexuals have the right to marry a person of the same sex. In other words, nobody has special rights under that scenario. Everybody has equal rights, which is all that homosexuals are asking for.

Dirtbag59
06-28-2011, 09:47 PM
Que??

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Dirtbag59
06-29-2011, 08:47 PM
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SmootSmack
06-29-2011, 08:55 PM
Senor Buster vino después de que mí y usted lo golpee. Buster anuncia imágenes inmensas. molesta a veces

Ok, ahora entiendo

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