Same-Sex Marriage!! Your Thoughts

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mlmdub130
06-17-2011, 01:45 PM
I'm in agreement with most here. "Marriage" is a reigious related sacrament. Let each church figure it out.

Govt. should have a simple civil union. Essentially a state sanctioned contract between two people to act partners in all family management issues.

it's amazing how simple somthing can be, and how complicated the government can make it. i couldn't agree with your post any more.

over the mountain
06-17-2011, 02:06 PM
Im actually going to the pride parade in baltimore this saturday. This will be my second time. I have no problem with the gay marriage, civil union issue. Let them do it.

I do have some reservations about a gay couple adopting a child. Whether being gay is a choice, genetic roll of the dice or a quasi mix; I have some reservations about a young child/baby being adopted into that lifestyle.

We are good friends with a lesbian couple who have a child from one of their prior relationships with a man. They act and maintain a great loving and structured home. The girl is real smart, polite and doesnt seem to have any reservations about her mothers preference. i.e. is a well adjusted normal child imo.

But when it comes to adoption, i kinda have a lil trouble with a baby/young child having no choice in the manner in which he or she will be raised.

Kinda funny, i met my lady and her gay friend at the bar after work the other day. We were talking about pride day, where we were gonna met up, etc. The topic turned to how several butch lesbians made comments to me (white guy) and my black girlfriend holding hands at Pride last year. He said the gay community is divided.

The funny part, so its like 3:30 pm, I wasnt really trying to drink hard. He orders a shot and I say Ill do one to. I was expecting a kinda fruity easy going "hey the sun is still up" shot but it was jameson, 4 fingers of hotter than room temperature jameson.

SmootSmack
06-17-2011, 02:07 PM
My thought is it's silly this is such a big deal. Let them get married and let's get on with more important things.

Agreed. Really though, to me the bigger issue is that they be given proper benefits.

I think I had mentioned this a few years ago, I did a story on the local news on a gay person whose partner of the past 20+ years had died in 9/11. And she couldn't get certain benefits because they weren't married, because they couldn't be married. That was unfortunate, to say the least

But at the end of the day, and I don't mean to be callous when I say it, the issue is not a huge deal for me. But when I see GOP candidates making it a huge deal that discourages me from my party of choice. Though I tend to believe (hope?) that they just say it to get certain votes but if elected, they wouldn't make it such a prominent issue. Same-sex marriage that is, more specifically the notion that there needs to be a constitutional amendment banning it.

And saying it would lead to anarchy is ridiculous, a prolonged NFL Lockout is more likely to lead to anarchy

NC_Skins
06-17-2011, 02:13 PM
My thought is it's silly this is such a big deal. Let them get married and let's get on with more important things.

Pretty much this.

Longtimefan
06-17-2011, 03:47 PM
Im actually going to the pride parade in baltimore this saturday. This will be my second time. I have no problem with the gay marriage, civil union issue. Let them do it.

I do have some reservations about a gay couple adopting a child. Whether being gay is a choice, genetic roll of the dice or a quasi mix; I have some reservations about a young child/baby being adopted into that lifestyle.

We are good friends with a lesbian couple who have a child from one of their prior relationships with a man. They act and maintain a great loving and structured home. The girl is real smart, polite and doesnt seem to have any reservations about her mothers preference. i.e. is a well adjusted normal child imo.

But when it comes to adoption, i kinda have a lil trouble with a baby/young child having no choice in the manner in which he or she will be raised.

Kinda funny, i met my lady and her gay friend at the bar after work the other day. We were talking about pride day, where we were gonna met up, etc. The topic turned to how several butch lesbians made comments to me (white guy) and my black girlfriend holding hands at Pride last year. He said the gay community is divided.

The funny part, so its like 3:30 pm, I wasnt really trying to drink hard. He orders a shot and I say Ill do one to. I was expecting a kinda fruity easy going "hey the sun is still up" shot but it was jameson, 4 fingers of hotter than room temperature jameson.

Adoption does appear to be an issue aside from the marriage aspect that draws a frown from many straight people who have wrestled for an opinion. They ask themselves the question....would I be comfortable with my child being reared in that type environment...how much ridicule would he/she be subjected too in it's early years of schooling and development.

FRPLG
06-17-2011, 04:48 PM
I'm in agreement with most here. "Marriage" is a reigious related sacrament. Let each church figure it out.

Govt. should have a simple civil union. Essentially a state sanctioned contract between two people to act partners in all family management issues.

yes.

FRPLG
06-17-2011, 04:51 PM
Agreed. Really though, to me the bigger issue is that they be given proper benefits.

I think I had mentioned this a few years ago, I did a story on the local news on a gay person whose partner of the past 20+ years had died in 9/11. And she couldn't get certain benefits because they weren't married, because they couldn't be married. That was unfortunate, to say the least

But at the end of the day, and I don't mean to be callous when I say it, the issue is not a huge deal for me. But when I see GOP candidates making it a huge deal that discourages me from my party of choice. Though I tend to believe (hope?) that they just say it to get certain votes but if elected, they wouldn't make it such a prominent issue. Same-sex marriage that is, more specifically the notion that there needs to be a constitutional amendment banning it.

And saying it would lead to anarchy is ridiculous, a prolonged NFL Lockout is more likely to lead to anarchy

Totally. I hate that the the conservative movement has been hijacked by the SOCIAL conservative movement. Why fiscally conservative and socially conservative have to go together I don't know. They actually sorta seem opposite to me from a philosophical standpoint.

Dirtbag59
06-17-2011, 04:57 PM
Totally. I hate that the the conservative movement has been hijacked by the SOCIAL conservative movement. Why fiscally conservative and socially conservative have to go together I don't know. They actually sorta seem opposite to me from a philosophical standpoint.

The fringe far far far far far right evangelicals among others were a huge reason Bush got elected twice so since then the Republican Party has pandered to their demands. It really is a shame. Romney seems alright though so if he gets elected he'll hopefully just worry about the economy and let the states vote on it which if done long enough will eventually result in legal gay marriage for most of the country.

I always kind of chuckle though at the concept of gay marriage, picturing a portion of the gay population thats against it. "Sorry....buddy I wish we could get married but it's illegal, damn Republicans" when inside they're thinking "Thank you God THANK YOU!"

SmootSmack
06-17-2011, 05:13 PM
Someone correct me here, but wasn't it actually Jimmy Carter's campaign and subsequent election that actually helped bring "the Christian Right" into the forefront of politics. Didn't his evangelical, "born-again" background get Christian Right voters to the polls and help him get elected over Ford?

I think I may be digressing a bit from the topic at hand

12thMan
06-17-2011, 07:05 PM
Someone correct me here, but wasn't it actually Jimmy Carter's campaign and subsequent election that actually helped bring "the Christian Right" into the forefront of politics. Didn't his evangelical, "born-again" background get Christian Right voters to the polls and help him get elected over Ford?

I think I may be digressing a bit from the topic at hand

100% correct.

...and without get too off topic here, it was the Right, led by Jerry Falwell, and the Moral Majority that captured the movement and it's fervor to inject religion and faith into politics. They masterfully made the connection between personal responsibility, family values, and economic prosperity. The movement mobilized a coalition that ultimately ushered Ronald Reagan into office.

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