How would you fix the economy and budget issues?

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12thMan
07-12-2011, 11:00 AM
First, you could run a campaign my friend because that's all the Republicans having been hammering Obama with, and rightfully so. You're also right that the WH oversold the stimulus in that they tried to attach a specific metric to gauge the success or failure of a fiscal policy. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

That said, the election will come down to a choice between candidates not ONLY what the rate of unemployment is. Remember the jokers running for president have their own records to defend, among other things, on the economy. If Obama can come out of the debt negotiations with some sort of compromise/solution, I believe that will help him.

firstdown
07-12-2011, 12:48 PM
First, you could run a campaign my friend because that's all the Republicans having been hammering Obama with, and rightfully so. You're also right that the WH oversold the stimulus in that they tried to attach a specific metric to gauge the success or failure of a fiscal policy. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

That said, the election will come down to a choice between candidates not ONLY what the rate of unemployment is. Remember the jokers running for president have their own records to defend, among other things, on the economy. If Obama can come out of the debt negotiations with some sort of compromise/solution, I believe that will help him.

I could never run for office or a campaign. The back ground check would be an issue and I'm not politically correct ( I'd have a George Allen event) and I'd say someting that would get me in trouble.

Solution
That's the problem. There is no real solution on the table and they are only looking for a quick patch job that has been done over and over again by both sides. You also say the WH over sold the stimulas and your totaly wrong. They sold what they believed would happen by throwing around a bunch of money and it did not work as many said from the start. Its called flawd thinking that was the problem. A stimulas tax break would have actually put money into the people pocket and not into the pocket of unions and others Obama wanted to pay back for their support.

To add to his problem is the fact that in the next 6 months that stimulas money will run out for a bunch of states and cities that have avoided laying off employees. Just in Chesapeake Va the school system received around 50 million in stimulas money which runs out soon and they have no way to replace those funds. Thats just one city and no telling the thousands and thousands of cities that have the same problem.

See Obama told them the money had to be spent in two years thinking that the ecomony would be beter in two years an its not. It going to get worse before it gets better.

firstdown
07-19-2011, 11:12 PM
I'd not pay my bills and rack up fines like Obama. It just gets better with each new day.

http://politisite.com/2011/07/19/obama-gets-fined-by-london-mayor-he-us-not-exempt-from-the-law/

GMScud
07-25-2011, 11:37 PM
Anyone watch the speech by Big O tonight? Talk about "poll tested words," scare tactics, and bumper sticker rhetoric. Ugh. All he cares about is 2012. Does anyone really have faith in his leadership at this point? Where's the freaking accountability? Can he take responsibility for anything? Still dragging Bush through the mud? For real? Boehner didn't exactly hit a home run either. We're in real trouble.

As far as 2012 goes, Captain Change is losing independents in droves and every time he opens his mouth his poll numbers go down. Makes me chuckle.

Put a damn balanced budget amendment in the Constitution. Continuing to borrow more than we bring in is such a damn embarrassing fail.

firstdown
07-26-2011, 10:45 PM
Anyone watch the speech by Big O tonight? Talk about "poll tested words," scare tactics, and bumper sticker rhetoric. Ugh. All he cares about is 2012. Does anyone really have faith in his leadership at this point? Where's the freaking accountability? Can he take responsibility for anything? Still dragging Bush through the mud? For real? Boehner didn't exactly hit a home run either. We're in real trouble.

As far as 2012 goes, Captain Change is losing independents in droves and every time he opens his mouth his poll numbers go down. Makes me chuckle.

Put a damn balanced budget amendment in the Constitution. Continuing to borrow more than we bring in is such a damn embarrassing fail.

To be fair spending has been a fail on both sides. What Obama does not understand is that the national dept is the new topic that everyone is concerned about so he needs to address the issue. He does not want to deal with the issue becasue he feels it was a problem that was not of his making so he wants to push it aside. Well its not going away like imigration was the hot issue a few years back. He has no experience and it shows.

Beemnseven
07-27-2011, 07:22 AM
It still seems to be me that not enough blame has been pinned on the endless, unwinnable wars and military spending in general. It's the sacred cow of Republicans, so I don't expect any help from them. But I'm not hearing Democrats offering much more than lip service to the idea.

The Iraq war alone has figures that reach the 1 trillion dollar mark. If we don't fundamentally change our approach to foreign policy, stop attacking countries that never did anything to us, and give up this worldwide military empire, the debt and the deficit problems aren't going anywhere.

Daseal
07-27-2011, 07:37 AM
It still seems to be me that not enough blame has been pinned on the endless, unwinnable wars and military spending in general. It's the sacred cow of Republicans, so I don't expect any help from them. But I'm not hearing Democrats offering much more than lip service to the idea.

The Iraq war alone has figures that reach the 1 trillion dollar mark. If we don't fundamentally change our approach to foreign policy, stop attacking countries that never did anything to us, and give up this worldwide military empire, the debt and the deficit problems aren't going anywhere.

Exactly. You want to win a war now days? Use economic force to play hardball. That's what China has started doing and it has been quite effective. It's time to a) stop jumping into conflicts. Bombs, planes, guns, soldiers, contractors, etc are very expensive. We seem to act as the world police. That needs to stop. We need to invest less in weapons and manpower. The average military grunt may get a low paycheck -- but he costs the taxpayers a bundle and quite honestly, is starting to become less and less necessary.

The above paragraph aren't my own thoughts, that is nearly exactly what my professor, a retired Air Force General, said last semester. I just happen to share them.

firstdown
07-27-2011, 10:37 AM
It still seems to be me that not enough blame has been pinned on the endless, unwinnable wars and military spending in general. It's the sacred cow of Republicans, so I don't expect any help from them. But I'm not hearing Democrats offering much more than lip service to the idea.

The Iraq war alone has figures that reach the 1 trillion dollar mark. If we don't fundamentally change our approach to foreign policy, stop attacking countries that never did anything to us, and give up this worldwide military empire, the debt and the deficit problems aren't going anywhere.

I would back 100% us pulling our troops out of 90% of the places we have them all over the world. I'm for a strong military but what we have is way more then what we need.

saden1
07-27-2011, 11:52 AM
Anyone watch the speech by Big O tonight? Talk about "poll tested words," scare tactics, and bumper sticker rhetoric. Ugh. All he cares about is 2012. Does anyone really have faith in his leadership at this point? Where's the freaking accountability? Can he take responsibility for anything? Still dragging Bush through the mud? For real? Boehner didn't exactly hit a home run either. We're in real trouble.

As far as 2012 goes, Captain Change is losing independents in droves and every time he opens his mouth his poll numbers go down. Makes me chuckle.

Put a damn balanced budget amendment in the Constitution. Continuing to borrow more than we bring in is such a damn embarrassing fail.

I'm not sure it's just Obama that's looking bad in the eyes of most.

As for the putting "a damn balanced budget amendment in the Constitution" one has to wonder two things...1) Why didn't the GOP make the proposal while in full command of the country? 2) What is the likelihood of such an amendment passing both houses with just a straight up and down vote (remember, it requires 2/3 vote to pass), the president's desk (veto anyone?), and then being ratified by the 2/3 of the states?

What a fantastic magic show the GOP has put on with their fanciful gimmicks and slight of hands. They must be doing something right if you lot have this much faith in them.

Bravo!

12thMan
07-27-2011, 12:44 PM
Obama's polls numbers are solid. The only voters he's losing in droves is the Tea Party.

I was coming out of pub a few days ago and walked right past Eric Cantor. I almost hurled my Jameson back up. Pathetic.

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