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12thMan 06-24-2011, 02:39 PM Here's a study on the effect ethanol production has on food prices, particularly the price of corn.
Opponents argue that it's disrupting to the food supply, which is true, and there's a direct link to the higher food prices. Proponents argue the opposite.
firstdown 06-24-2011, 03:53 PM Here's a study on the effect ethanol production has on food prices, particularly the price of corn.
Opponents argue that it's disrupting to the food supply, which is true, and there's a direct link to the higher food prices. Proponents argue the opposite.
I've looked and it seems to be one study saying it does not affect food prices then there is one that says it does drive up food prices. I don't have a problem with using E10 in my car but it really sucks for boats. It does three things. If its an older boat the hoses cannot handle E10 and the hoses break down causing even bigger motor problems. The other problem is that E10 holds and attracts moistuer and cause issues there. It does not store very well and seperates causing issues for people who store their boats for the winter.
firstdown 07-01-2011, 12:35 PM Funny now the Dems are trying to say the Rep are sabotaging the economy for political gain. Thats funny because it was the right that said that 1 trillion Obama spent would not help and it looks like we were right. So I guess the only thing the Dems can try to do is blame the Rep.
GMScud 07-01-2011, 01:09 PM Funny now the Dems are trying to say the Rep are sabotaging the economy for political gain. Thats funny because it was the right that said that 1 trillion Obama spent would not help and it looks like we were right. So I guess the only thing the Dems can try to do is blame the Rep.
Greenspan concurs.
News Headlines (http://www.cnbc.com/id/43598606)
firstdown 07-01-2011, 03:21 PM Greenspan concurs.
News Headlines (http://www.cnbc.com/id/43598606)
The stimulas was around 870 billion and we have around 300 million us citizens if I'm correct. That works out to be around 2500 per person. Seems like given families the money directly would have really been a true stimulas. That would mean a family of 3 like myself would have received around 7,500. Wow imagine how much spending would have occured.
GMScud 07-04-2011, 11:58 AM The stimulas was around 870 billion and we have around 300 million us citizens if I'm correct. That works out to be around 2500 per person. Seems like given families the money directly would have really been a true stimulas. That would mean a family of 3 like myself would have received around 7,500. Wow imagine how much spending would have occured.
The numbers in the 7th Quarterly Report (7 quarters since the "stimulus" was passed) released on Friday certainly don't help Big O. His own handpicked trio of economists put the report together, and it paints a pretty grim picture of just how ineffective this stimulus has been thus far. $278K spent for each job gained? Eeeesh.
Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job | The Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-s-economists-stimulus-has-cost-278000-job_576014.html)
12thMan 07-04-2011, 01:13 PM You guys are totally confusing the facts here. This article is referring to the stimulus passed by the Fed Reserve under Ben Bernanke, not President Obama. Under the direction of Ben Bernanke the Fed purchased $600 Billion in Treasury Bonds, also known as QE2. This has absolutely nothing to do with the "stimulus" Congress passed shortly after President Obama took office. In fact, the president of the United States doesn't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve is the monetary authority. Alan Greenspan's critique was directed at Ben Bernanke's actions, not President Obama.
But since we're now talking about Obama's stimulus, anyone know what portion represented tax cuts? Firstdown, how come I don't hear you crowing about that?
12thMan 07-04-2011, 01:22 PM No one --not a single economist-- thought the recovery would take this long. The Administration's biggest mistake was floating that 8% unemployment number from the jump, not trying to stimulate the economy.
Historically speaking it takes time for an economy this large to recovery from a recession, such as the one we're coming out of, and even longer to replace all the lost jobs. They caved to the intense political environment and the urgency to grease the wheels and get things going so they threw out 8%. It was stupid and they know it, but they saved and created a lot of damn jobs in the process.
Schneed10 07-04-2011, 01:35 PM No one --not a single economist-- thought the recovery would take this long. The Administration's biggest mistake was floating that 8% unemployment number from the jump, not trying to stimulate the economy.
Historically speaking it takes time for an economy this large to recovery from a recession, such as the one we're coming out of, and even longer to replace all the lost jobs. They caved to the intense political environment and the urgency to grease the wheels and get things going so they threw out 8%. It was stupid and they know it, but they saved and created a lot of damn jobs in the process.
A good portion of the stimulus spending amounted to spitting into the wind. You're right in saying they caved to the political environment, and consequently they lost sight of the long term good.
First time homebuyer credit was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. We had a bunch of people who were underwater on bad mortgages, which this administration blamed on predatory lending practices, yet they turn around and give first time homebuyer credits to people who had never bought a house before. Wha?? So we're going to help the people who got screwed buying a house by helping the people who've never bought one?
Once first time homebuyer credits dried up the market went where the market should have gone, back to Earth. Houses are for people who can afford them without government help and without sketchy loans. The market was headed south whether Obama liked it or not, he just drove us into further debt by spitting into the wind.
GMScud 07-04-2011, 02:47 PM You guys are totally confusing the facts here. This article is referring to the stimulus passed by the Fed Reserve under Ben Bernanke, not President Obama. Under the direction of Ben Bernanke the Fed purchased $600 Billion in Treasury Bonds, also known as QE2. This has absolutely nothing to do with the "stimulus" Congress passed shortly after President Obama took office. In fact, the president of the United States doesn't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve is the monetary authority. Alan Greenspan's critique was directed at Ben Bernanke's actions, not President Obama.
But since we're now talking about Obama's stimulus, anyone know what portion represented tax cuts? Firstdown, how come I don't hear you crowing about that?
I'm not confusing anything. All I said was these numbers don't help Obama. He may not have been directly responsible for the QE2 pump, but it happened on his watch. Wrong or right, he'll ultimately be held largely responsible.
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