Plaxico out of jail; on the radar of two teams according to Rosenhaus

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CultBrennan59
06-09-2011, 08:03 PM
I haven't been able to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure I heard that Plax was disciplined multiple times...while in prison. Not a good sign really

I didn't hear that exactly, but I did hear on the radio this morning that he had one of the dirtiest cells in the entire prison.

SmootSmack
06-09-2011, 08:08 PM
I didn't hear that exactly, but I did hear on the radio this morning that he had one of the dirtiest cells in the entire prison.

Maybe that was one of the discipline issues

SBXVII
06-10-2011, 12:59 AM
The cost of signing Plax right now is taking playing time away from our young guys (Austin, Hankerson, Paul, Robinson, Banks, etc). For a team thats been to the playoffs thats no big deal. For a team thats trying to rebuild it's a huge cost and part of the reason we've stunk for the better part of the previous decade.

So by your theory keeping Moss also takes away from the young guys playing time. Right?

Just about everyone knows the team is going to want one Vet on the team to not only fall back on but to help develope the young guys. The key is will the Skins resign Moss at his old age? He's breaking down often injured and losing his speed. The best they could hope for is to make him the #3 WR.

Buress on the other hand has proven in the past he's a #1 WR and could be the #1 WR while the young guys are developing and learning the offensive scheme. Would Buress be a stop gap? Yes, which is exactly what the team needs until the young guns are ready to step in and take over.

SmootSmack
06-10-2011, 01:01 AM
So by your theory keeping Moss also takes away from the young guys playing time. Right?

Just about everyone knows the team is going to want one Vet on the team to not only fall back on but to help develope the young guys. The key is will the Skins resign Moss at his old age? He's breaking down often injured and losing his speed. The best they could hope for is to make him the #3 WR.

Buress on the other hand has proven in the past he's a #1 WR and could be the #1 WR while the young guys are developing and learning the offensive scheme. Would Buress be a stop gap? Yes, which is exactly what the team needs until the young guns are ready to step in and take over.

Do I have this right? You want to get rid of Moss, sign Plax, and stay away from Vince Young?

SBXVII
06-10-2011, 01:04 AM
I haven't been able to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure I heard that Plax was disciplined multiple times...while in prison. Not a good sign really

Thought I heard something also early on when he first went in, but come on.... even Martha Stewart was disciplined a couple of times. Although I can't stand here. I'll take Buress over Moss since Moss had his share of hammies and pulled groins. As far as I know Buress has not been injured as much and although some here want to complain about Buress's age, Moss is no spring chicken either.

SmootSmack
06-10-2011, 01:19 AM
Thought I heard something also early on when he first went in, but come on.... even Martha Stewart was disciplined a couple of times. Although I can't stand here. I'll take Buress over Moss since Moss had his share of hammies and pulled groins. As far as I know Buress has not been injured as much and although some here want to complain about Buress's age, Moss is no spring chicken either.

Well if Martha does it...

Plax had disciplinary issues, apart from the self-shooting, before going to prison. Prison should have been a wake up call, and he shouldn't have had any disciplinary issues while in prison. Did Vick? (I'm really asking, because I don't know if he did while in prison). Burress is two years older than Moss and yes I know Plax hasn't played in two years. And Santana has played and started in every game the last 3 years so nagging injuries or not, he's out there playing. Burress has also had the same...when he wasn't locked up

SBXVII
06-10-2011, 01:30 AM
Do I have this right? You want to get rid of Moss, sign Plax, and stay away from Vince Young?

Bingo. No seriously, I'd prefer to keep Moss but the WCO is predicated on tall WR's which the team went out and picked up in the draft. I understand Moss wants to be here but what it boils down to is will the team/coaching staff think he's worth bringing back? Especially for whatever price Moss will want.

I look at both Moss and Buress as being tied due to age, Moss injuries of his past and Buress being out of play or a couple of years trade off. Buress is taller and healthier and has more potential to come back as a temp #1 then Moss does.

My issues with Young are me confusing him with the Raiders QB who was using drugs. Young I just don't think is a very good QB and doesn't handle pressure well either on the field or off, then there is the fact that no matter who is brought in they will still be at a disadvantage having to start from scratch learning the playcalls and scheme the whole while we have Grossman who already knows it best and Beck who would have a one year lead on whoever is brought in. So picking up Young would be a waist. I'd rather keep McNabb who would also have a better knowledge then anyone else brought in.

Let's keep Grossman and Beck, build up the OL and next year look for the future QB. Then the Rookie QB would have a better OL to protect him and the supporting cast will be better and have a better understanding of what they are doing in order to help said Rookie QB

SmootSmack
06-10-2011, 01:57 AM
I'm not sure what makes you say Burress is healthier than Moss. And I also wasn't aware that the WCO is predicated on tall receivers

NLC1054
06-10-2011, 02:35 AM
The West Coast Offense is predicated on tall receiver?

The Packers only have one "tall" receiver, Jordy Nelson. He's 6'3. Jennings if 5'11, Driver and James Jones are 6'1.

What about the Philly West Coast offense? DeSean Jackson is 5'10, Jeremy Maclin and Jason Avant are both 6 feet flat.

In Houston, Andre Johnson is 6'3. Jacoby Jones is 6'2", Kevin Walter is 6'3". This is the first instance of an offense consisting mostly of "tall" receivers, but the offense runs through Johnson, who's dominant not because he's tall, but because he's physical, versatile and is a great route runner.

In Minnesota, Sidney Rice is 6'4". Bernard Berrian is 6'1", Percy Harvin is 5'11, as is Greg Camarillo.

People get too hung up on height. Height is overrated. Out of the top ten receivers in terms of yardage, 5 (Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace and Santana Moss) are ALL 6'0" and under.

7 of the top 10 wide receivers in terms of touchdowns scored are 6'0 and under.

Last season tall guys had more success in terms of receptions, but the three "short guys" took the top three spots amongst wide receivers in terms of receptions.

Tall, short, doesn't matter. Especially not in the West Coast Offense. Especially when you consider that the best wide receiver Mike had as a head coach, Rod Smith, was only 6'0", and he's heading for Canton one day.

I'd like to think the front office wasn't just drafting wide receivers because they were tall. That's the trap Vinny fell into; when everyone moaned and groaned and griped about not having tall receivers, Vinny took two of the taller receivers available, Devin Thomas (6'2") and Malcolm Kelly (6'4").

We all know how that turned out.

And yeah, Burress is technically (healthier), but he's been out of football for two friggin' years. I very much doubt running routes in a prison yard comes close to being in football shape and matching up against DBs and learning a new offense.

The ideal in any offense is to have a good mixture of sizes and to make sure guys are versatile enough that you can line them up anywhere on the field to create the optimal match ups. Having tall receivers isn't necessary, no matter what you hear from analyst and fans who don't know any better. Sometimes players are smaller than they appear to be on TV.

If the West Coast Offense needed tall guys, why did we add 5'11" Anthony Armstrong and 5-11" Terrence Austin last and draft 5-10" Aldrick Robinson this season?

Giantone
06-10-2011, 04:43 AM
I'm not sure what makes you say Burress is healthier than Moss. And I also wasn't aware that the WCO is predicated on tall receivers

Me either,I though it was a reciever that can run routes and catch a ball and Plax can only do 1 of those(when he wants) ......and it ain't route running.

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