Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

What's the point of this video? It's from 2008 and these f-in idiots are too stupid to even know when to vote anyway. No mainstream conservative wants their support.

How about these folks at the CBC conference in DC, I'd say they've got some pretty negative things to say about Cain & Allen West.

Congressional Black Caucus Attendees Herman Cain & Allen West Are "Oreos"... - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IgfkP69AC0)


LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.


Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.

Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:

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BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?

Am I mistaken or were all these "racist" stuff written/said about him after Herman Cain said "there is no racism in America," "he left the democrat plantation a long time ago," "African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded," "the liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama," "[Obama's] never been a part of the black experience in America," "It is documented that his mother was white and his father was from Africa. If he wants to call himself black, fine. If he wants to call himself African-American, fine."I think the opinions of Cain and his detractors have remained constant before and after any statements he/they made, they're just hitting the airwaves with his rise in the polls.

Do you think these statements he made are acceptable? That they will endear him to African Americans? Make no mistake, as far as I am concernerned it doesn't matter if he's black or white, it does matter that he is pure cunt that's preaching a message of division and hate. That's just me my opinion though, I am sure white conservatives think otherwise...probably because they haven't gone through the brainwashing process yet.I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama.
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.

- Obama not part of black experience in America. Again not from the racial perspective, but I don't think that most black folks grew up in HI, had experience traveling abroad, went to private school, went to Columbia/Harvard Law.

I'd rather not see any race-baiting on either side and I'm pretty sure most conservatives white/black/brown/yellow would agree. I want this election to strictly be about fixing the major issues our country faces

LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.LOL

Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.A picture is worth a 1000 words is 100% correct, and with any true grassroots movement you've got a few idiot outliers.

Unfortunately, the Tea Party doesn't have the support of the majority of the media in the U.S., which I think have done a great job of playing cut, after cut, after cut, of folks calling the Tea Party racist which just isn't true whether Cain gets the nomination or not.

Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:Didn't you mention in 2008 something about "gloves being off", I guess Cain took his off a little earlier. Not necessarily the most PC ad, but this type of ad was effective in 2002 & 2004.

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life | LifeNews.com (http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/)

From the link:
"The campaign is a second go-round based on a highly successful Ohio campaign in 2004 that helped President Bush garner 17% of the African American vote in the Buckeye State – double his vote total from the 2000 presidential race."

"Americas PAC’s African American radio strategy “hampered our ability to expand the off-year electorate in 2002," Brazile said."

BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?Of course...since Perry $hit the bed.

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Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.


I agree Lawrence's Vietnam remarks were completely out of line, but you think the Civil Rights remarks and questions were okay?

Cain:

So, counter to our real feelings, we decided to avoid trouble by moving to the back of the bus when the driver told us to. By that time, the sit-ins and the Freedom Rides had kind of broken the ice, even though things hadn't fully changed. So we saw it every day on TV and read about it in the news. Dad always said, "Stay out of trouble," and we did.



Lawrence:
Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if Rosa Parks had followed your father's advice?"

Additional:
Cain replied, still not losing his cool, by pointing out that at the time that the anecdote happened, his father was giving advice to a high school aged boy, not an adult like Rosa Parks, for whose courage he was thankful.

O'Donnell then launched into an attack: "Mr. Cain, you were in fact in college from 1963 to 1967, at the height of the Civil Rights Movement, exactly when the most important demonstrations and protests were going on. You could easily as a student at Morehouse between 1963 and 1967 actively participated in the kinds of protests that got African Americans the rights they enjoy today. You watched from that perspective at Moorehouse when you were not participating in those processes. You watched black college students from around the country and white college students from around the country come south AND BE MURDERED, fighting for the rights of African Americans. Do you regret sitting on those sidelines at that time?"

Cain hinted that an illness in his family prevented him from being as involved as he would've liked, which is beside the point.


How about lawrence' questioning Cain's "gratefulness", was that questioning okay?
"Mr. Cain, what are you grateful to this nation for? You served in the Navy. They paid for you to go get a graduate degree while you were in the Navy. Are you grateful to the government for doing that? Are you grateful to this government for passing the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act?"

more:
Lawrence O'Donnell's Offensive Interview with Herman Cain - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/lawrence-odonnells-offensive-interview-with-herman-cain/246328/)

I think Cain has said some controversial things some of it perhaps distasteful, but nothing he said was as distasteful and nasty as lawrence odonnells interview with Cain. I also believe the context of anything detestable Cain has said is vastly different then Cain being scolded by a white man for Cain's lack of involvement in the Civil Rights Movements while an adolescent, in addition to the hypocritical and unfounded attack on Cain's patriotism and service to his country, particularly during Vietnam.

Perry is a clown:

When asked by Parade Magazine whether he believed that President Obama was born in the United States, Perry said, "I don't have a definitive answer, because he's never seen my birth certificate," then adding "I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night. ... He doesn't think it's real." When pressed by CNBC the day of the flat tax unveiling, Perry doubled down on the dumb, saying, "It's (birtherism) a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."

In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/wheres-the-outrage-over-d-l-hughleys-racist-attack-on-herman-cain/)

TIME magazine
Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com (http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/20/is-herman-cain-the-most-unctuous-black-man-alive/)

on CNN
Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/democratic-strategist-calls-herman-cain-racist-bigoted-for-saying-blacks-have-been-brainwashed/)

on MSNBC
MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/10/14/bashir-lets-grio-columnist-slam-herman-cain-not-black-enough-second-fr)


A couple others:
Congressional Black Caucus: Tea Party racist, Allen West and Herman Cain 'oreos' - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/congressional-black-caucus-tea-party-racist-allen-west-and-herman-cain-oreos)

Rev. Al Sharpton Questions Herman Cain's "Black Authencity" & Slams His Comments About Unemployment & Poverty by Saying "Start with Your Mama" | The Moderate Voice (http://themoderatevoice.com/125006/rev-al-sharpton-questions-herman-cains-black-authencity-slams-his-comments-about-unemployment-poverty-by-saying-start-with-your-mama/)

Cornel West On CNN: Herman Cain Needs To ‘Get Off The Symbolic Crack Pipe’ | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cornel-west-on-cnn-herman-cain-needs-to-get-off-the-symbolic-crack-pipe/)

Harry Belafonte | Herman Cain Bad Apple | Joy Behar Video | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/harry-belafonte-to-joy-behar-herman-cain-is-a-totally-false-bad-apple-in-the-black-community/)

Schultz says 'break' is a 'southern racist term' | Campaign 2012 (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/ed-cain-says-what-white-gopers-want-hear)

I generally don't obsess over polls this far out, but one released today shows President Obama leading all GOP candidates in Arizona. The last time a Dem won the state was in 1952.

If that trend holds for another month or two, Republicans will be in full blown panic mode.

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Nah I'll be OK, I'll just tell her, "what casino could I go to and get 50-50 odds." :cool-smil
Plus when she buys some new UGGs this winter I've got all the cover I need, even on the outside chance I lose.

I just remembered the whole issue with regards to the AP quoting Obama as saying:


"Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."



There was an outrage that the AP quoted Obama the way he actually spoke, rather than the grammatically correct way. Literary scholars weighed in on if the AP was correct or not. Many linguistic scholars sided with the AP since Obama doesnt normally speak with a grammatically-incorrect dialect and since he was purposely making a particular point of emphasis in his speach.

I understand that Cain isnt the president, or even the Republican nominee, but while the media was outrage over how the AP quoted Obama the editor of Newsweek was on TV saying “naahn-naahn-naahn” in reference to Cain’s 999 Plan. Jon Stewart has even given an Amos and Andy impression of Cain when impersonating him. Early on left wing media even questioned Cain’s intelligence, I personally believe in part because of his dialect.

Unfortunately there is clearly a double standard about how black politicians should be spoken to and treated depending on their political idenity.


Was the Associated Press transcription of Obama’s CBC speech ‘racist’? | The Cutline - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/associated-press-transcription-obama-cbc-speech-racist-173438340.html)

Carlson: Herman Cain terrifies America's liberals | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111023/OPINION01/310230022/1110/OPINION03/?odyssey=nav%7Chead)

Was Jon Stewart doing ‘Amos n Andy’ imitation of Herman Cain? | Radio & TV Talk (http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2011/06/29/was-jon-stewart-doing-amos-n-andy-imitation-of-herman-cain/)