12thMan
10-13-2011, 02:31 PM
I like Obama's foreign policy more than Mitt's, but its the lesser of 2 evils for me as i think they are both pretty bad. I think the problem Obama has is that hes really upset a part of his base by entering into new wars. He also has made the public perception that he is siding with Palestinians’ has also hurt a lot of his Jewish support.
I will also add something i think Romney, in particular, will attack Obama on is the popular opinion that Obama is and has been publically apologizing for what he views as America's past sins. A lot of Obama's apology tour was exaggerated and in some cases in line with past Presidents, but some of it was very questionable.
Apologies Not Accepted - Investors.com (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/587698/201110111829/Apologies-Not-Accepted.htm)
Like all presidential elections I think America blindly voted for one person or political party over another, although I think the 2008 elections were of particular ignorance. Democrats, Independents and even many Republicans didn’t want a neo-con or anything that reminded them of Bush. After 12 years of Bush and 8 years of Clinton the thought of Hilary seemed better suited for a empire and not a republic. A young, very well educated and incredible articulate speaker that seemed to truly want to transform the way things are done in Washington, paired with the insider Biden who could administer those changes seemed appealing to everyone, policy issues aside. That combined with someone who wanted to end 7 long years of what seemed like a misguided war was a big part of the reason Obama, the brand, became extremely desirable.
A lot of the things that made his brand so popular a few years ago are completely gone. Its not just that people feel like Obama didn’t live up to his hype and they were somewhat short changed, it’s that a lot of people feel that Obama sold out and they were cheated. Obama has no hope whatsoever in energizing those people like he did in 2008, however, many people are energized to vote against anyone who isn’t named Obama. More votes in 2008 may have been cast in ignorance then any prior election, but the amount of people blindly voting for anything but Obama may be just as bad.
I don’t think Obama or saden1 has a chance.
You raise some fair points. But your statement about Obama's brand being gone is largely media driven and way off the mark. Are Obama supporters as enthusiastic as they were in '08, I don't think so. However the grassroots remains solid. Even in the best of economic times, no policy (foreign or domestic) is without flaws and has the luxury of hindsight. Every president could have done things better or differently. For me, Obama has been largely as advertised. He said change would be difficult, he's been pragmatic, and not overly partisan. For people that would like to see more conservative policies coming out of the White House, well, vote your guy into office. It's really that simple.
Also worth noting that Obama just raised $70 million dollars last quarter and 257,000 of those people were first time donors. That's a quarter of a million new supporters into the fold. Pretty incredible for someone who's brand is suffering. In my opinion those numbers are a good indicator of where he stands with his base of supporters. If Mitt Romney and the GOP are counting on voters abandoning Obama next year, they will most definitely be disappointed.
I will also add something i think Romney, in particular, will attack Obama on is the popular opinion that Obama is and has been publically apologizing for what he views as America's past sins. A lot of Obama's apology tour was exaggerated and in some cases in line with past Presidents, but some of it was very questionable.
Apologies Not Accepted - Investors.com (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/587698/201110111829/Apologies-Not-Accepted.htm)
Like all presidential elections I think America blindly voted for one person or political party over another, although I think the 2008 elections were of particular ignorance. Democrats, Independents and even many Republicans didn’t want a neo-con or anything that reminded them of Bush. After 12 years of Bush and 8 years of Clinton the thought of Hilary seemed better suited for a empire and not a republic. A young, very well educated and incredible articulate speaker that seemed to truly want to transform the way things are done in Washington, paired with the insider Biden who could administer those changes seemed appealing to everyone, policy issues aside. That combined with someone who wanted to end 7 long years of what seemed like a misguided war was a big part of the reason Obama, the brand, became extremely desirable.
A lot of the things that made his brand so popular a few years ago are completely gone. Its not just that people feel like Obama didn’t live up to his hype and they were somewhat short changed, it’s that a lot of people feel that Obama sold out and they were cheated. Obama has no hope whatsoever in energizing those people like he did in 2008, however, many people are energized to vote against anyone who isn’t named Obama. More votes in 2008 may have been cast in ignorance then any prior election, but the amount of people blindly voting for anything but Obama may be just as bad.
I don’t think Obama or saden1 has a chance.
You raise some fair points. But your statement about Obama's brand being gone is largely media driven and way off the mark. Are Obama supporters as enthusiastic as they were in '08, I don't think so. However the grassroots remains solid. Even in the best of economic times, no policy (foreign or domestic) is without flaws and has the luxury of hindsight. Every president could have done things better or differently. For me, Obama has been largely as advertised. He said change would be difficult, he's been pragmatic, and not overly partisan. For people that would like to see more conservative policies coming out of the White House, well, vote your guy into office. It's really that simple.
Also worth noting that Obama just raised $70 million dollars last quarter and 257,000 of those people were first time donors. That's a quarter of a million new supporters into the fold. Pretty incredible for someone who's brand is suffering. In my opinion those numbers are a good indicator of where he stands with his base of supporters. If Mitt Romney and the GOP are counting on voters abandoning Obama next year, they will most definitely be disappointed.