Rex Grossman on NFL Radio Sunday

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fanarchist
06-09-2011, 12:52 AM
You know...I kinda always thought Rex go a raw deal in Chicago. That run the Bears made to the Super Bowl, the Bears has a top flight defense, sure. But they also had the number one scoring offense.

There's no doubt he struggled, and maybe he wasn't as dedicated to his craaft as he should've been there. But the Bears also never seem overly concerned with developing their quarterbacks (see: not drafting Jay Cutler a single wide receiver in this year's draft) and instead are keen to rely on their defense, sometimes to the detriment. I mean, who's the last franchise quarterback the Bears had?

But he strikes me as a guy who needs a new start, and this system seems to suit what he does well. His decision is still damn near baffling sometimes, but looking at the situations from this season, I can really only think of two interceptions that were really his fault, and better offensive line play might help us to avoid that nasty problem he has with fumbling.

(And to his credit, when he did fumble the ball, most of the times it seems like he was making an effort to cover up the ball, when he wasn't getting blindsided by the rush).

He's older, wiser, he knows what Mike and Kyle expect out of their starting quarterback. He might not take us to a Super Bowl, but as a one or two year stop gap, I'm fine with him. I think he's willing to put the work in and can be effective, and if anyone can help mold a quarterback into a more productive player, it's Mike Shanahan.

I mean he took Gus Ferrotte to the friggin' playoffs, after all.


There was absolutely no game film on the dude in this offense from which opposing defenses could draw tendency and he still only won a single game in three starts. Matt Moore played well before defenses caught on to his weaknesses. Mike Vick was stellar in the early goings last season before the Giants wrote a blueprint on how to contain him and his production took a rapid decline as he became one of the most sacked QBs in the second half of the season. It was the same for Sanchez in his first season when he became an interception machine mid way through the season. Etc etc.

Rex is already in his old dog/new tricks stage. He proved he still make poor decisions with the ball in clutch situations. It's like he dips his hands in grease before every snap. He has difficulty getting velocity on the ball when rolling out on the play action bootleg and when it's not designed he has trouble improvising, eluding the rush and throwing on the run. He's only 6-1 so when he stands in the pocket he can barely see over the linemen which makes it hard for him to see throwing lanes. His lack of height will also lead to a slew of batted balls (ala Mike Vick, also 6-1), which means what class, that's right, more interceptions. He drops his head when attempting to aviod duress which closes split second windows of opportunity. Mike Shanahans good, but not that good. He needs a pixie fairy in the land of daffodils and delusion to sprinkle him with some magical dust just so he can grab his one way ticket to Never Never Land. If there's a band aid waiting in the wings please let his name be John Beck. Atleast when our line breaks down I know the guy is mobile.

Jay Cutler did fine with the receivers he had last year. That is if winning the division championship with a weak Oline in pass pro and an underachieving run game accounts for anything. The Bears have a franchise QB right now, you should be more concerned with the fact that we don't.

I also thought Ferrotte did pretty well a few years ago when he stepped in for Tavaris Jackson.

SmootSmack
06-09-2011, 01:04 AM
Why you gotta hate on Matt Moore?

Vikings won despite Frerotte

Dirtbag59
06-09-2011, 01:14 AM
Vicks production didn't drop that much. He truly was the definition of "you can't stop him you can only hope to contain him" for the 2010 season. Packers (in the playoffs not week 1) and Vikings were the only teams that truly stopped him this past year. Bears were the first to really slow him down but he still played well in that game. In the end it seems the only real way to stop Vick these days is hope you get him at the end of the season, since by then he'll have taken a beating.

And keep in mind this is coming from someone who before last year lothed Vick as a QB on any team.

On a side note it would seem the Redskins were the first team to provide a blueprint for Vick. Just knock him out the game, iz simple.

fanarchist
06-09-2011, 01:16 AM
Why you gotta hate on Matt Moore?

Vikings won despite Frerotte

Thanks for putting me in my place. I needed a good sadistic slap. I'll shuffle my way back into the throng now.

All hail Mods.

NLC1054
06-09-2011, 01:24 AM
Vicks production didn't drop that much. He truly was the definition of "you can't stop him you can only hope to contain him" for the 2010 season. Packers (in the playoffs not week 1) and Vikings were the only teams that truly stopped him this past year. Bears were the first to really slow him down but he still played well in that game. In the end it seems the only real way to stop Vick these days is hope you get him at the end of the season, since by then he'll have taken a beating.

And keep in mind this is coming from someone who before last year lothed Vick as a QB on any team.

On a side note it would seem the Redskins were the first team to provide a blueprint for Vick. Just knock him out the game, iz simple.

Squishing him did seem the best way to keep him from kicking our ass...

fanarchist
06-09-2011, 01:26 AM
Vicks production didn't drop that much. He truly was the definition of "you can't stop him you can only hope to contain him" for the 2010 season. Packers (in the playoffs not week 1) and Vikings were the only teams that truly stopped him this past year. Bears were the first to really slow him down but he still played well in that game. In the end it seems the only real way to stop Vick these days is hope you get him at the end of the season, since by then he'll have taken a beating.

And keep in mind this is coming from someone who before last year lothed Vick as a QB on any team.

On a side note it would seem the Redskins were the first team to provide a blueprint for Vick. Just knock him out the game, iz simple.

I'm afraid you need to go back a check your stats, 0 ints in the first half of the season and after they play the Giants who contained, sacked and stiffled Vick all game he throws 6 picks in his last 5 games.

SmootSmack
06-09-2011, 01:28 AM
Thanks for putting me in my place. I needed a good sadistic slap. I'll shuffle my way back into the throng now.

All hail Mods.

Damn straight. Hating on Moore...sheesh, I let that happen and we'll have total...fanarchy

fanarchist
06-09-2011, 01:36 AM
Damn straight. Hating on Moore...sheesh, I let that happen and we'll have total...fanarchy

Hahaha!

Ruhskins
06-09-2011, 01:36 AM
Damn straight. Hating on Moore...sheesh, I let that happen and we'll have total...fanarchy

Zing! He'll be here all week folks.

Dirtbag59
06-09-2011, 01:38 AM
I'm afraid you need to go back a check your stats, 0 ints in the first half of the season and after they play the Giants who contained, sacked and stiffled Vick all game he throws 6 picks in his last 5 games.

Yet despite 6 ints he still posted a passer rating above 90 in 4 of those 5 games following the Giants. The only reason people make a big deal out of the Ints was because he had thrown zero all year. Every QB throws Int's. The real test is where do you throw them and do you offset them with TD Passes and runs. In those same 5 games he threw for 10 TD's and ran for 4 more. Of course if we include runs we have to include lost fumbles of which he lost 2. So 14 TD's, 8 Turovers. And the Giants in the game where they stopped him gave up 27 points 2 of which were a two point conversion from Vick. The Bears on the other hand held him to 26 points lol.

The first time anyone stopped Vick since that first Redskin game was the Vikings in the second to last week.

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