Rex Grossman on NFL Radio Sunday

D McNabb really burned some bridges here somehow

I like Donovan but hearing what is being said about him now, co-incides with his criticisms over the years in Philly:

Lack of work ethic/bad practice habits
poor cardio/stamina in games
ego/image/primadonna issues


My mom is the biggest Philly fan i know, and she said to me Donovan was the reason why the eagles didnt re-sign Garcia after he had his monster season in 2006. she said he felt threatened by him especially after fans started saying they wanted JG to start in 2007 over Donovan...

The wire?

Sure sounded like it didn't it ?

Awesone show by the way.

I like Donovan but hearing what is being said about him now, co-incides with his criticisms over the years in Philly:

Lack of work ethic/bad practice habits
poor cardio/stamina in games
ego/image/primadonna issues


My mom is the biggest Philly fan i know, and she said to me Donovan was the reason why the eagles didnt re-sign Garcia after he had his monster season in 2006. she said he felt threatened by him especially after fans started saying they wanted JG to start in 2007 over Donovan...

Most of my family are big Philly fans and I never heard them complain about ego/image/primadonna questions but the others I've heard as well.

What Grossman seemed to imply by his comments and hesitation to talk to the hosts that there was clear tension between Donovan and Kyle and his practice performance/habits were a big part of it. Rex emphasized in his tone that Kyle is very specific in what he expects from his QB and how his QB is supposed to execute it. When he said that Kyle is so specific to even the number of hitches as they go thru progressions I can see that being an issue with the way McNabb improvs. That would also seem to eliminate any thoughts of Vince Young because he's an improv QB as well.

Most of my family are big Philly fans and I never heard them complain about ego/image/primadonna questions but the others I've heard as well.

What Grossman seemed to imply by his comments and hesitation to talk to the hosts that there was clear tension between Donovan and Kyle and his practice performance/habits were a big part of it. Rex emphasized in his tone that Kyle is very specific in what he expects from his QB and how his QB is supposed to execute it. When he said that Kyle is so specific to even the number of hitches as they go thru progressions I can see that being an issue with the way McNabb improvs. That would also seem to eliminate any thoughts of Vince Young because he's an improv QB as well.

Excellent interpretation of that...i took it to mean similar things, but knowing how Donovan is, I assumed that when he came here, he felt that being a big star he could be afforded to improv some and not work as hard, because they had let him get away with it in philly since they were winning...

Excellent interpretation of that...i took it to mean similar things, but knowing how Donovan is, I assumed that when he came here, he felt that being a big star he could be afforded to improv some and not work as hard, because they had let him get away with it in philly since they were winning...
Yeah, I can see that and combined with Cooley's comments last week on NFL Total Access that both parties were surprised at the learning curve of the offense I don't think McNabb was prepared to come in and be 'coached'. Reid did more coddling and yielding to what suited McNabb than Kyle did and I think that may have been a source of conflict as well. Mike and Kyle seem to be of the school of thought-'you are a pro, prepare and act like one' and McNabb may have been comfortable with getting by on talent and supporting cast. I won't be surprised to see him successful somewhere else in 2011 but he just wasn't a good fit with the Shanahans.

We are talking about the same McNabb who had the most passes over 50 yds throughout the first half of the season in an offense that could barely find a spark in the ground game over the same duration. The same dude who threw for over 400 yds in a game against Houston in an offense that, according to the coaches, his grasp of was tenuous at best. 5 of his 14 games he threw for over, or on the cusp of 300 yds and only 2 of those 14 games did he throw for under 200 yds. This all did occur in his first season learning a new offense in which the reads and progessions that he had become so accustom to in Philly after 12 years in the same system were completely reversed. Sometimes we as Redskins fans can be a fickle bunch. Buying into the sensationalized bs that spans the radio, TV, and other online sports media outlets. It's about time we use a little citical thought to define our opinions about this team and what would be best for its prolonged success. There's no way you can convince me that Grossman is a better option then McNabb unless the competition happens to be, who would make the best human ball warmer.

We are talking about the same McNabb who had the most passes over 50 yds throughout the first half of the season in an offense that could barely find a spark in the ground game over the same duration. The same dude who threw for over 400 yds in a game against Houston in an offense that, according to the coaches, his grasp of was tenuous at best. 5 of his 14 games he threw for over, or on the cusp of 300 yds and only 2 of those 14 games did he throw for under 200 yds. This all did occur in his first season learning a new offense in which the reads and progessions that he had become so accustom to in Philly after 12 years in the same system were completely reversed. Sometimes we as Redskins fans can be a fickle bunch. Buying into the sensationalized bs that spans the radio, TV, and other online sports media outlets. It's about time we use a little citical thought to define our opinions about this team and what would be best for its prolonged success. There's no way you can convince me that Grossman is a better option then McNabb unless the competition happens to be, who would make the best human ball warmer.

Um, welcome to the board?

I don't think anyone went out of their way to say McNabb is a scrub or Grossman is a lost Manning but the evidence was pretty clear that the McNabb/Shanahan pairing wasn't a winner.

We are talking about the same McNabb who had the most passes over 50 yds throughout the first half of the season in an offense that could barely find a spark in the ground game over the same duration. The same dude who threw for over 400 yds in a game against Houston in an offense that, according to the coaches, his grasp of was tenuous at best. 5 of his 14 games he threw for over, or on the cusp of 300 yds and only 2 of those 14 games did he throw for under 200 yds. This all did occur in his first season learning a new offense in which the reads and progessions that he had become so accustom to in Philly after 12 years in the same system were completely reversed. Sometimes we as Redskins fans can be a fickle bunch. Buying into the sensationalized bs that spans the radio, TV, and other online sports media outlets. It's about time we use a little citical thought to define our opinions about this team and what would be best for its prolonged success. There's no way you can convince me that Grossman is a better option then McNabb unless the competition happens to be, who would make the best human ball warmer.

First off, welcome to the board!!

Donovan did not play well last year. Nobody can say that he did. He played mediocre, and sometimes below average. Sadly, that is what we are accustomed to with redskins QB's here, a standard that Jason Campbell beautifully lived up to. Say what you want, but the whole team performed better when Rex was in there. They looked dangerous against the cowboys.

We are talking about the same McNabb who had the most passes over 50 yds throughout the first half of the season in an offense that could barely find a spark in the ground game over the same duration. The same dude who threw for over 400 yds in a game against Houston in an offense that, according to the coaches, his grasp of was tenuous at best. 5 of his 14 games he threw for over, or on the cusp of 300 yds and only 2 of those 14 games did he throw for under 200 yds. This all did occur in his first season learning a new offense in which the reads and progessions that he had become so accustom to in Philly after 12 years in the same system were completely reversed. Sometimes we as Redskins fans can be a fickle bunch. Buying into the sensationalized bs that spans the radio, TV, and other online sports media outlets. It's about time we use a little citical thought to define our opinions about this team and what would be best for its prolonged success. There's no way you can convince me that Grossman is a better option then McNabb unless the competition happens to be, who would make the best human ball warmer.

The sensationalized BS has pretty much fallen squarely into the "McNabb was screwed, Mike Shanahan is a hack, Kyle Shanahan is a moron, everyone else on the team sucks" category. Pretty much no one is on the Shanahan's side in the media-at-large.

Yeah, he threw for a lot of yards. But...take the Texans game. He threw for over 400 yards against a pass defense that was the worse in the league. For comparison's sake, rookie quarterback Tim Tebow carved up the Texans secondary. That game was an abberation, and even then, he only threw for one touchdown, and couldn't close out the game with a score.

Most of the time he was throwing for that many yards because the team got down early and had to throw the football to get back in the game. That's why how many yards a quarterback throws for is a cruddy indicator of their overall in game performance. If you throw for 300 yards, but you only have one touchdown and one pick, then you're not really being effective.

He had a lot of passes over 50 yards, but even with that cannon of an arm of his, a lot of those throws were underthrown. How many times did we see Anthony Armstrong take the top off the defense and have no defenders around him, only for AA to have to come back to the ball or slide down to make the catch. Easy touchdowns if he makes the throw, but he doesn't.

And when the Redskins managed to go on length drives, he couldn't thrown touchdown scores. Everyone kept going on about needing taller receivers or running it or whatever...but pretty much every time Rex drove the Redskins into the red zone, the Redskins walked out of those situations with touchdowns.

Rex's four touchdown passes against Dallas were ALL in the red zone. Quarterbacks make their money on 1.) converting third downs and 2.) production in the red zone, meaning touchdowns. McNabb couldn't do either of those things. Some of it was what was around him, but a lot of it was him just not getting the ball out, or sometimes him only reading half the the field.

That pick he threw in the Tennessee game, where Joey Galloway actually managed to pop wide open? He's only reading half the field. He's reading right and doesn't even think to come back to the left until it's WAY too late.

It's the stuff like that that makes it clear that he was struggling, and it wasn't just a "he doesn't know the offense" thing. He had a whole training camp and thirteen games to get the offense down, and the only time he looked really comfortable with it was against Indianapolis.

It's not that Rex gives the team the best chance to win. It's that Donovan [i]doesn't[/i.]

Well said NLC