Medicare Scare 2.0

If you guys don't think people are not making some of those decisions now you don't understand ins. Do you understand the 1000's of procedures currently not covered by ins.? At some point we have to realize that we have to make cuts to provide affordable health coverage and part of that equation is not covering everthing that some people want done. I'm just dealing in reality and my knowledge of ins.

I know insurance. Still not the same as death panels.

Pretty cool behind the scenes exchange

Bill Clinton to Paul Ryan on Medicare Election: ‘Give me a Call’ - The Note (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/bill-clinton-to-paul-ryan-on-medicare-election-give-me-a-call-.html)

Very interesting video...politics is dirty game.

I know insurance. Still not the same as death panels.

So when the ins. company denies a person a bone marrow transplant because they don't feel it will extend their life/quality of life that is not a death panel? Its done everyday its just not called a death panel. Thats just a fancy name the right uses to scare old people away from socialized health care. I'm not advocating socialized health care but for people to think that there will not be people making these decisions one way or the other are fooling themself. If you think we could have a national health plan without these controls then your still fooling yourself. They are just a sad fact about how insurance works and keeps some kind of control on cost.If everything was covered all the time rates would be double what they are today.

Back on subject. The people bashing Ryans plan need to read some of it first because the bashing I'm hearing is not even factually correct. I keep hearing it will force old people off medicare but they are grandfathered under his plan. I keep hearing that it will cut coverage for the ederly poor. When it actually provides more coverage for the poor and cuts coverage for the rich. Its means tested and thats where allot of the saving comes from. I'm not saying his plan will work but we need to have a starting point and work on the problem.

So when the ins. company denies a person a bone marrow transplant because they don't feel it will extend their life/quality of life that is not a death panel? Its done everyday its just not called a death panel. Thats just a fancy name the right uses to scare old people away from socialized health care. I'm not advocating socialized health care but for people to think that there will not be people making these decisions one way or the other are fooling themself. If you think we could have a national health plan without these controls then your still fooling yourself. They are just a sad fact about how insurance works and keeps some kind of control on cost.If everything was covered all the time rates would be double what they are today.

Not quite the same thing, but you're right let's get back on topic.

If you guys don't think people are not making some of those decisions now you don't understand ins. Do you understand the 1000's of procedures currently not covered by ins.? At some point we have to realize that we have to make cuts to provide affordable health coverage and part of that equation is not covering everthing that some people want done. I'm just dealing in reality and my knowledge of ins.No one said there aren't people doing cost/benefit analysis on procedures at the insurance companies.....however you have a choice in your provider or if you even carry coverage. In a single payer, gov't run system, that forces you to carry coverage, you have no choices. This is a great simplification of the issues, I know.

No one said there aren't people doing cost/benefit analysis on procedures at the insurance companies.....however you have a choice in your provider or if you even carry coverage. In a single payer, gov't run system, that forces you to carry coverage, you have no choices. This is a great simplification of the issues, I know.

Simplification indeed.