8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Continues

NFL.com news: 'Skins coaches say their views not reflected in NFLCA brief (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82007352/article/skins-coaches-say-their-views-not-reflected-in-nflca-brief)

NFL.com news: 'Skins coaches say their views not reflected in NFLCA brief (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82007352/article/skins-coaches-say-their-views-not-reflected-in-nflca-brief)

...all the coaches or just Mike? My guess Mike's salary is guaranteed regardless of lockout or not.

...all the coaches or just Mike? My guess Mike's salary is guaranteed regardless of lockout or not.

All the coaches but Mike

The coaches are making a sound business decision...aligning themselves with the man who signs the checks. Distancing themselves from the NFLCA filing while at the same time being vague enough to not alienate the players.

The coaches are making a sound business decision...aligning themselves with the man who signs the checks. Distancing themselves from the NFLCA filing while at the same time being vague enough to not alienate the players.

How many of those guys are actually getting paid during the lockout? If I were a position coach not getting paid, I'd side with the NFLCA.

The coaches are making a sound business decision...aligning themselves with the man who signs the checks. Distancing themselves from the NFLCA filing while at the same time being vague enough to not alienate the players.

I don't get how "not getting paid" is a sound business decision. Not to mention that coaches are measured on the performance of the players, which is being hindered by this lockout. Like I said, I'm curious how trigger happy will owners be about firing coaches, given that this lockout is a huge negative for team performance next season (if there is one).

How many of those guys are actually getting paid during the lockout? If I were a position coach not getting paid, I'd side with the NFLCA.

My guess is that DS is paying them tho'. I haven't heard anything that says the Skins have furloughed or reduced any pay. I think if we actually miss games then maybe, but like the Skins coaches said, people need to work it out and get back to football.

NC_Skins, without getting into it too far, since 2 big guys here are sick of it :cheeky-sm

if the owners hadn't opted out, we would be at this same place just 2 years later. Opting out was legal and in the spirit of the CBA. Leaving bargaining 6 hours early to disclaim interest and avoid the constructs written into the CBA in case it expires. I see a difference if you don't nothing I say will change it.

One other point, and I think this is fair, but also certainly speculative. Shortly after the owners opted out, Gene Upshaw died, and the whole system got thrown into a bit of a chaotic state for a while, and by the time it resolved both sides were set in their strategies. Had he not been taken away as he was, even if he retired, perhaps the transitions and plans may have been more steadied. The owners couldn't un-opt out to give more time to DSmith et al to get some ground under their feet and get a feel for NFL labor relations.

Oh well, we are where we are, and all sides are pretty unyielding (IMO)

You and Mr. Brees seem to agree about Upshaw

Saints QB Drew Brees explains players side in NFL labor issue - Jim Trotter - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/05/26/lockout/index.html)

You and Mr. Brees seem to agree about Upshaw

Saints QB Drew Brees explains players side in NFL labor issue - Jim Trotter - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/05/26/lockout/index.html)
I think we agree his death impacted these negotiations, I don't think I believe his take on it.
Also surprised me how negative the comments were towards him and his sentiment.

Well, many say none of this would have happened if Upshaw didn't know that Tags was going to retire during the last negotiation. They say Upshaw knew that Tags was planning to announce his retirement and he (Tagliabue) didn't want his legacy to be his tenure ended with a lockout/strike so Upshaw got Tags and the owners to agree to things they normally wouldn't have otherwise.