SBXVII
05-25-2011, 08:22 PM
No way no how. They in fact locked their own income out by their own doing. There is no way in hell they could make a claim like that. Their revenue loss is squarely on their own accord.
Ok, I'm not totally up on all the leagaleeze. lol. But I was just wondering could the Owners point out that had the Players not done what they did the Lockout would not have happened and because of that could the Owners request damage?
I can for some reason see the owners pointing this out talking about how some fans failed to renew their tickets because of not knowing what was going to happen with the lockout... basically causing damage.
Son Of Man
05-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Just watching NFL Network and god I'm soo tired of yet another owner or CEO or whoever saying .... " We need to get back to the negotiations table." So what is the problem? It seems that the owners are all saying we need to get to the negotiations table and everytime I hear from the players side it's all about whatever happens June 3rd or June 6th.
So why can't the Players tell their reps to get at the table and keep trying? I mean if they are cable of getting something done then all the law suits could be dropped.
Damn players. ;)
It does appear that the players are begining to lose the PR battle. DeMaurice Smith doesn't seem to be winning them any good favor with his rhetoric and perceived indignance...while the NFL mantra has been "we need to get back to the table".
NC_Skins
05-25-2011, 08:45 PM
It does appear that the players are begining to lose the PR battle. DeMaurice Smith doesn't seem to be winning them any good favor with his rhetoric and perceived indignance...while the NFL mantra has been "we need to get back to the table".
No. The NFL mantra has been this.
Buffalo Bills suspend pension and 401K payments to employees - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6585190)
NFL Shop raises jersey prices $5 amid lockout - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/29531432)
Get ready to pay: 18 NFL teams raising ticket prices for 2010 - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-05-11-ticket-prices-mainbar_N.htm)
****ing over the fans, screwing over their employees, so they can make yet more money so that they can misuse under the guise of their "operating expenses" and then turn around and claim their are having "profit losses".
NC_Skins
05-25-2011, 08:48 PM
I can for some reason see the owners pointing this out talking about how some fans failed to renew their tickets because of not knowing what was going to happen with the lockout... basically causing damage.
It's about as retarded as a robber suing a home owner for a faulty window that broke and cut him while he was trying to break into the house.
Doesn't make sense does it? Didn't think so.
Son Of Man
05-25-2011, 09:11 PM
****ing over the fans, screwing over their employees, so they can make yet more money so that they can misuse under the guise of their "operating expenses" and then turn around and claim their are having "profit losses".
I would be interested to view your proof on this statement.
SBXVII
05-25-2011, 09:26 PM
It's about as retarded as a robber suing a home owner for a faulty window that broke and cut him while he was trying to break into the house.
Doesn't make sense does it? Didn't think so.
But... stupid itshay like this does happen. I hear all the time about husbands filing suit against the wife because by doing so they can get paid by the home owners insurance. How about a robber who files suit against the home owner after the home owner shoots the robber? Better yet the home owner getting arrested because the robber was shot in the back leaving the residence and killed?
But I still think you gave a bad example. A better example would be had you not been drinking and driving then you might have had control of your vehicle and not ran the oncoming vehicle off the road injuring one passenger or both. It's all about the first event. Had the players not filed their intent then the owners would not have locked out. All the revenue lost could be attributed to the players filing their intent.
SBXVII
05-25-2011, 09:40 PM
No. The NFL mantra has been this.
Buffalo Bills suspend pension and 401K payments to employees - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6585190)
NFL Shop raises jersey prices $5 amid lockout - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/29531432)
Get ready to pay: 18 NFL teams raising ticket prices for 2010 - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-05-11-ticket-prices-mainbar_N.htm)
****ing over the fans, screwing over their employees, so they can make yet more money so that they can misuse under the guise of their "operating expenses" and then turn around and claim their are having "profit losses".
Lets not stop to think that maybe the owners might, just might be experiencing a reduction in income due to this whole mess that the owners need to find a way to keep the right amount of money flow coming in to the business to pay said employees, or reduce employees pay by a % to enable them to keep their jobs.
Yep it's all the owners fault. Damn owners. If they would just lift the lockout then fans would be happy and throw the money they don't have due to the bad economy at season tickets, the owners wouldn't have to raise jeresy costs, and employees wouldn't have to worry about their jobs or a reduction in their pay.
Stick it to the owners players and stand your ground. Hold out and wait to hear what the 8th Circuit decides.
When you need a job you go out and apply to 15 to 20 different places in hopes a few respond. You don't go out and apply to one place and wait and when you don't get it you go out and apply to another place and wait, so on and so on. See while the players are so called waiting.... they could be sitting at a table with the owners trying to work something out. What I'd like to see is the owners pick a date and time. The players don't show up its on them, because I'm almost certain the players don't want to negotiate. They want to hear what the 8th Circuit says first or atleast win having the lockout lifted then they will be all over "lets get together."
NC_Skins
05-25-2011, 09:44 PM
Had the players not filed their intent then the owners would not have locked out. All the revenue lost could be attributed to the players filing their intent.
DOT DOT DOT
The first incident in this is the Owners opting out of the CBA. You conveniently forgot the most important detail. They are the cause, not the players bro.
SBXVII
05-25-2011, 09:54 PM
DOT DOT DOT
The first incident in this is the Owners opting out of the CBA. You conveniently forgot the most important detail. They are the cause, not the players bro.
I think your forgetting that although most of us know the owners were opting out, the CBA didn't expire prior to the intent? Last I remember there was agreed upon extensions in order to work out a deal, 6 hrs prior to the CBA expiring the Union filed their intent or decertified. It doesn't matter what we think would have happened it's a matter of what actually happened. The players decertified 6 hrs prior to the deadline. So the first event was the players fault not the owners, even though we all can guess had the CBA expired with out an agreement we all could blame both sides for not getting it done. Then had the owners locked out we could point the finger at the owners as being the first event.
NC_Skins
05-25-2011, 10:18 PM
The players decertified 6 hrs prior to the deadline. So the first event was the players fault not the owners
How you can't comprehend this is beyond me. Really, I'm dumbfounded how you are still saying the first event was the players fault when clearly the first event happened 2 years ago with the opting out of the CBA.
At this point, you aren't even being remotely logical or sticking to the facts. You are just using portions of the events to fill in your stance supporting the owners.
Courts close at 5pm bro. I know there was a show called "Night Court", but none exist that i know of.