8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Continues

I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I don't understand why can't there be negotiations while the league it is still running. I just feel that the teams are shooting themselves in the foot by not having free agency and offseason workouts/practices/training camps.

I think in the perfect world they could, but....

I, for some reason, believe or have heard that when the players decertified or filed their decertification the owners had to lockout to protect themselves. from what I don't know? each player possibly filing a suit against them? or because the union did it to get the upper hand the owners locked out to keep the upper hand. I don't know.

As others have said, does it really matter who has the upper hand? if either side is not happy with the offer just don't agree to it until both sides are happy. The owners can't put football games on if the players don't agree and sit out ie; strike. The players can't play unless the owners bus them to their location to play. Let them work out all they want.

Why is there so much debate over the 59% or 53%? The owners say 59% the players say 53%.

Could I possibly be right in thinking the owners keep talking about the expired CBA and after the 1 billion was taken off the top the players received 59% of the income.

But under the new CBA offered by the NFL 2 billion would be taken off the top and the players would only get 53%?

Is that even remotely close? "if" I am then split the difference. If the players refuse to give up their 59% then let the owners take 2 billion off the top and of the remaining give the players 59%. or... only give the owners 1 billion off the top and only give the players 53% of the income. Fair?

59% is of the 8billion (including 1billion exemption)
53% is of the total 9 billion.

either way it equates to approx 4.7 billion.

I wrote a whole post about it, don't feel like rehashing it. But in summary, I don't believe the state of the league is as poor as the owners claim it is, and the NFLPA made several concessions which were rejected by the NFL before March

NFLPA Made Proposals To NFL On How To Split Revenues - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal (http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2011/01/Jan-18/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NFLPA.aspx)

and we disagree on "dubious means" and the players side was prepared to negotiate multiple times back in the spring, but the owners either wouldn't show up for meetings, would show up but sit in a separate room and not meet face to face, or would show up and leave after a couple of hours.

And from my own discussions with the league, I just don't buy that they're in the dire position they claim to be. And I know how they can bully, totally different circumstances I know.

Yes, both sides are to blame. But I think the owners are being made to look too much like the good guys. Which, I understand, they usually are because people generally have a hard time siding with "millionaires playing a kid's game"

I also don't think I'm as emotionally charged up about this as others appear to be. And heck, it would probably affect me more than most others here. But the only reason I want the issue resolved is for my own selfish reasons as a fan. But realistically, I know that what matters is getting to a long-term agreement that will benefit the players and keep the league moving forward for decades to come, not a quick fix band-aid solution to appease fans.

I'm not so aggravated about the NFLPA preparing for litigation. Both the NFL and the NFLPA have been preparing themselves for worst-case scenarios for a couple of years. That's par for the course.

Excellent post.

59% is of the 8billion (including 1billion exemption)
53% is of the total 9 billion.

either way it equates to approx 4.7 billion.


What happens when the pot gets bigger?

Excellent post.

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What happens when the pot gets bigger?

Well in some states I think your allowed to have like a gram or something but if the pot gets bigger then your going to probably go to jail.

Any questions?

I wrote a whole post about it, don't feel like rehashing it. But in summary, I don't believe the state of the league is as poor as the owners claim it is, and the NFLPA made several concessions which were rejected by the NFL before March

NFLPA Made Proposals To NFL On How To Split Revenues - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal (http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2011/01/Jan-18/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NFLPA.aspx)

and we disagree on "dubious means" and the players side was prepared to negotiate multiple times back in the spring, but the owners either wouldn't show up for meetings, would show up but sit in a separate room and not meet face to face, or would show up and leave after a couple of hours.

And from my own discussions with the league, I just don't buy that they're in the dire position they claim to be. And I know how they can bully, totally different circumstances I know.

Yes, both sides are to blame. But I think the owners are being made to look too much like the good guys. Which, I understand, they usually are because people generally have a hard time siding with "millionaires playing a kid's game"

I also don't think I'm as emotionally charged up about this as others appear to be. And heck, it would probably affect me more than most others here. But the only reason I want the issue resolved is for my own selfish reasons as a fan. But realistically, I know that what matters is getting to a long-term agreement that will benefit the players and keep the league moving forward for decades to come, not a quick fix band-aid solution to appease fans.

I'm not so aggravated about the NFLPA preparing for litigation. Both the NFL and the NFLPA have been preparing themselves for worst-case scenarios for a couple of years. That's par for the course.

I agree w/Saden; that's a good post. I've been very optimistic about this whole thing & I think I understand enough of both sides to be somewhat objective. Is greed & power involved? of course, how could it not be? But I'm trying not to get caught up on picking sides.

As a fan, I think this offers a great opportunity for the NFL & players to come up with some creative agreements that can benefit the league long-term. Like it or not, significant changes typically don't happen without some catastrophie or interuption of the status quo.

well in some states i think your allowed to have like a gram or something but if the pot gets bigger then your going to probably go to jail.

Any questions?

lol.

What happens when the pot gets bigger?

I imagine that you are quite capable of the math, but I guess the off season is ripe for mathematics

59% of 9B = 5.31Bill
53% of 10B = 5.3Bill

59% of 10B = 5.9Bill
53% of 11B = 5.83Bill

59% of 11B = 6.49Bill
53% of 12B = 6.36Bill

etc
extra credit
(suppose the additional 1b credit was issued then what % are we talking about)
start at 9B, subtract 2B = 7B (note the NFL has moved off the 2B number)
now use 59% (as that is the % after the exemption) = 4.13B
now find new % (4.13B/9B)*100 = 47% (approx)
that is the % the NFL initially asked the players to accept using the TGR system.

or something along those lines.

When you say they backed off the 2B number your refering to the owners still wanting their 1B they have been taking all along but instead of including the second billion they decided to split the difference 500mill/500mill and the players still balked. Right? It's like the players don't even want to give an inch. I think the owners knew they wouldn't get the 2B but you have to ask for it bacause you know the other side will talk you down. Like when selling a car, you want $2,500 you almost need to start out at $5,000. Thats all the owners did. But the players won't even let an extra 500 mill go.