rebuilding or FA frenzy?

I dont have a problem with us losing if building blocks to our future are getting playing time. I would never root for us to lose of course. But if Hankerson, Austin, Jenkins, Capers, and Nield are out there playing and getting experience to make us a better team I'm ok with 4-12. If it's Roydell, Furrey, Maake, Hicks, and Holliday I'm not.

I'm totally fine with that scenario. They can definitely save face by playing these younger players - allowing them to gain experience and cohesion - while still making a play for a good draft pick next year...I'd be able to stand a poor 2011 campaign if it means 2012 could be substantially better. My only fear with this is Snyder. I'm afraid he won't have the patients to handle two poor seasons of shanahan.

Shanahan seems to me to be the correct guy to right the ship; however, how long can he truly last under Snyder?

Moss has said he hopes to come back.

Sorry but rooting for 0-16 = retarded.

AGREED.....I couldn't stomach that.

we just need some positive momentum to start going in the right direction...hopefully that starts this year

"not much longer" I mean that I have heard that we don't want to extend Rocky, Moss doesn't want to stay here, Brown wants to be a starting LT somewhere, and Los wants out as well. They are all FA's this year.

But more so on top of that by "not much longer" is that even if some of these guys stay, how much longer will they be effective? by the time we get the pieces around them to fill the other holes on our team, many players on our team will be too old an ineffective and we will have to fill those new holes, not having a complete team.

I am 100% on board with the Luck proposal, I've been saying it for years. I'd much prefer to be absolutely terrible for a few years, get the core players we need in the draft, and then start to wreck shit up as opposed to staying in mediocrity forever. The lions and Rams will be two great teams a few years down the road...hell even look at the falcons now. The colts/chargers/giants would all be nothing if not for that one bad season they had. We need a great qb, and to get that we need to lose.
I'll personally be rooting for an 0-16 season, and get Andrew Luck. I would love watching our games even in those first few seasons when our rebuilding project begins, before we are good. I'd love to just watch young guys develop and watch the improvement of our team. And then when it all clicks together, I'd love that even more. Mediocrity is the worst thing you can be in football. You don't improve enough through the draft, and your team still pisses you off. I've been pissed off way too long. I want something to look forward to.

There is no guarantee that picking near the top of the draft year after year will get you results. I mean do we really have to look at the past decade, you'll routinely find a few teams that are top 10 or worse nearly every year and aren't Super Bowl bound anytime soon. I'm sorry but I don't trust getting several early 1st round picks over a number of years leading us to prosperity. A lot of things happen over a few years and it would be stupid to mortgage the future on the hope that 3-5 top 5 picks would make us legitimate contenders; that is a completely unacceptable and foolish strategy.

There is no guarantee that picking near the top of the draft year after year will get you results. I mean do we really have to look at the past decade, you'll routinely find a few teams that are top 10 or worse nearly every year and aren't Super Bowl bound anytime soon. I'm sorry but I don't trust getting several early 1st round picks over a number of years leading us to prosperity. A lot of things happen over a few years and it would be stupid to mortgage the future on the hope that 3-5 top 5 picks would make us legitimate contenders; that is a completely unacceptable and foolish strategy.

Our record with 1st round picks have been pretty good. So if the situation did present itself, I would predict satisfaction, at least for me.

But this is all hypothetical talk. We are too good a team to be able to tank. (yes, 5-11 or better means you are indeed too good to tank in my world). Since there will be no firesale for our team, Andrew Luck may be be a superstar...somewhere else...maybe Buf-, ahem, Toronto.

Shanahan seems to me to be the correct guy to right the ship; however, how long can he truly last under Snyder?

When the PR is no longer bad...for Snyder.

And if you are rooting for 0-16, we better not once next season read any comments from you complaining about how we sucked, or I can't believe we missed that block, dropped that TD, made that call, etc.

Good luck with that.

I can never root against my team to lose under any circumstances. Thats just not being a real fan IMO. I had a friend who used to bet against his team constantly because he would say he'd be happy either way...thats bullsh*t and retarded. I seriously cant believe anyone would really feel like that way on this board in order to draft a player.

Are there any starting-quality FAs (DLs, QBs and OLs) that haven't been talked about that could fit this team easily? Everyone discussed so far is a bit over-the-hill, pricey, risky, or on the squad last year.

And if you are rooting for 0-16, we better not once next season read any comments from you complaining about how we sucked, or I can't believe we missed that block, dropped that TD, made that call, etc.

deal, as long as I'm allowed to talk about guys who should be cut the next year. If I'm rooting to get last, I'll be looking towards the future, and will comment appropriately towards the future of our team should look like.

Good luck with that.

I can never root against my team to lose under any circumstances. Thats just not being a real fan IMO. I had a friend who used to bet against his team constantly because he would say he'd be happy either way...thats bullsh*t and retarded. I seriously cant believe anyone would really feel like that way on this board in order to draft a player.

I care, I just care smarter that you. I'm greedy, I want it all. I want to be an elite team. 8-8 is bullshit in my mind. Unless we are good enough to compete for a superbowl I'm not satisfied. Be real, theres no chance of that happening anytime soon. I just want the best ammo to be able to get to that level. Delayed gratification.

There is no guarantee that picking near the top of the draft year after year will get you results. I mean do we really have to look at the past decade, you'll routinely find a few teams that are top 10 or worse nearly every year and aren't Super Bowl bound anytime soon. I'm sorry but I don't trust getting several early 1st round picks over a number of years leading us to prosperity. A lot of things happen over a few years and it would be stupid to mortgage the future on the hope that 3-5 top 5 picks would make us legitimate contenders; that is a completely unacceptable and foolish strategy.

I'm not talking near the top, I'm talking the top. I'm talking Luck. He is a guarantee in my mind. Plus it might not be guaranteed that higher draft picks are better, but look at the odds, they more than likely are. Look at the draft chart how much these picks are worth relative to one another. The top of the board is worth so much. Theres no guarantee, but its much more highley likely, and I'd like to have the best odds possible.