Updated Title: 8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Reinstated

Well if they get to the point of cancelling a season the next year's draft would be in serious jeopardy as well

This is what I get out of it to or what I've heard said mostly.


Hypothetical here: Imagine if they kept the same draft order next year even if the year was cancelled. It would also mean the Panthers would chose another QB with their first pick of the draft in all three years...lol

Clausen
Newton
Luck

There is a huge disconnect between what the players themselves ask for and what demaurice smith and the Nflpa's lawyers are asking for... Additionally, although you say the players are just asking for what they have now, you ignore the fact that that, by default, means the owners take less. Costs go up and the owners do not want to pass that expense on to the fans in the form of higher ticket prices. The players on the other hand have no qualms about passing on expenses to the fans as they've insisted that only revenues be shared and not expenses.

The players are 100% in the wrong and I hope, for the sake of the fans, and the game, that both sides resume talks ASAP. If the players elected president were willing to negotiate in good faith, the sport wouldn't be in this mess

Sorry this is so long.
The Net Income is what everyone is arguing about, basically what money remains after all expenses and taxes are taken out of all the revenues. The Net Income varies wildly from team to team. That is the major hold up. The high market/high revenue teams refuse to release all revenue information because they do not want to share more revenue with the small market teams. How can you expect the players to make up all of the shortcoming and not expect the high revenue owners like the Redskins and Cowboys to pony up some as well? All the NFLPA is saying we are open to discuss giving money back, just release all of the revenue information.
The Packers are the only team that has publicly released their entire financial information only because they the only publicly traded team, otherwise we would not have their financial information either. The Packers are in one of the smallest markets in the NFL so it would be expected that their Net Income would be low. Yet they still pocketed $5.2 Million after all expenses.
Packers team treasurer Larry Weyers was quoted as saying, "The increase in the Packers’ net profit was driven by declining investment losses..",
Basically he is saying the driving force behind the drop in Net Income to the Packers is the declining investment from the outside companies. I work for a professional team and the biggest financial loss we suffered during the worst of this this recession about a year and half ago was that our corporate sponsorship deal revenue dropped by 50%. That is what he is talking about. But we have already started to see things going back to the direction of recovery although we are not yet back to normal. The small market teams return to normal will take longer.
The only reason the players have moved this process into the courts is to try and force the release of all of the revenue information. You can not negotiate in good faith if there is money being socked away by some of the owners.
This whole "small market teams" vs. "big market teams" issue has existed way before this labor agreement deal or the economic downturn. This is not something new. It is finally spilling over into the labor agreement because the Owners are asking for money back from the players.
This is not a 100% the players fault situation. It is bigger than that. Both share in the fault.

It looks like some cheating is going on during the lockout.

Agents: Teams have tampered with undrafted players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110506_agents_teams_have_tampered_with_undrafted _players)

It looks like some cheating is going on during the lockout.

Agents: Teams have tampered with undrafted players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110506_agents_teams_have_tampered_with_undrafted _players)

This doesn't surprise me at all. I feel that coaches and GM are probably hating this lockout and wishing that there is a temporary free agency period while owners/players continue to negotiate.

I wonder if the owners will be lenient with their coaches and GMs this year, given that they've put them in pretty sh*tty situations by not giving them any opportunity to plan and prepare their teams due to the lockout.

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

If the NFLPA* wins this mess there will never be a draft again, atleast not without some ridiculous concessions from the owners.

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

NHL might be the best reference.


Resolution
The loss of the 2004–05 season meant that there were no results on which to base the order of the 2005 entry draft. The league settled on a lottery system in which all teams had a weighted chance at the first pick, expected to be Sidney Crosby.

The lottery was tilted so teams with fewer playoff appearances over the last three seasons and fewer number one overall picks over the last four seasons had a better chance of landing higher picks. The complete order was determined by the lottery, and the 2005 draft was conducted in a "snake" style, meaning in even rounds, the draft order was reversed. This system was an attempt to compromise between those who felt all teams should have had an equal chance at the first pick and those who felt only the weaker teams should have been in the running.

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

It would be fair to do it reverse alphabetically by city.

It would be fair to do it reverse alphabetically by city.

Sound logic!

If the season doesn't not happen at all next years draft how do they determine the draft order?

I believe the plan is some sort of weighted lottery system, similar to what NHL did

I just want to know if we'll be able to introduce Robert Quinn AND Vince Young tomorrow night?

That would be nice