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drew54 04-26-2011, 05:17 PM Current players for picks, no. Players you draft, no. Current and future picks, yes.
I was mis-informed, Thanks!
I still am tired of this short sighted team building. Reminds me of the rest of Washington.
Monkeydad 04-27-2011, 01:23 PM Research shows that 2nd round QBs have been mostly disappointments (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/31/use-caution-when-drafting-a-second-round-quarterba), so unless you get a top flight guy in the 1st round it's basically a waste to take a QB in later rounds.
I believe research would also show any QB with a horrible O-line is at a nearly insurmountable disadvantage.
Use that 1st-round pick on another O-lineman and a 2nd-round QB will have a better chance at success than a 1st-round QB without the line upgrade.
There's always free agency to plug holes on the OL too.
Monkeydad 04-27-2011, 01:35 PM True, but I'd prefer a young player. We should follow the Jets model and use our first-round pick on a lineman until our whole line is 1st-round studs. Then, even with a horrible QB like Sanchez, we could contend for a decade.
Dirtbag59 04-27-2011, 03:50 PM I believe research would also show any QB with a horrible O-line is at a nearly insurmountable disadvantage.
Use that 1st-round pick on another O-lineman and a 2nd-round QB will have a better chance at success than a 1st-round QB without the line upgrade.
If we keep that second round pick I would much rather use it on a front 7 defender.
And whats to say that our O-Line will be horrible this year? Just because of what happened last year? I saw the Falcons and Chief O-Lines change over the course of one offseason with little if any additions, and even though the Falcons drafted Sam Baker in 08 he still only played 5 games.
We have Trent Williams not to mention a chance to choose between a healthy Jammal Brown and Ryan Harris. Davin Joesph is also a huge favorite to come here. Kory L got a year of starting experience, Will Montgomery is improving, and I'm sure that between Cook and Capers one will develop into a solid starter. Heck even Heyer improved last year into a respectable swing man.
Bottom line we could easily be going into next year with 3 pro bowl level starters (Williams, Brown, Joesph) or at worst 2 pro bowlers and one very good young Right Tackle.
Also don't forget we have plenty of late round picks and Shanahan has made a living out of getting quality lineman in rounds 5-7.
Finally in light of the improved O-Lines I mentioned in KC and ATL we will easily have more raw talent then both of them. Only thing left to do is continue feeding the late round pipeline and getting two top notch guys signed out of Joesph, Brown, and Harris.
GTripp0012 04-27-2011, 04:15 PM I believe research would also show any QB with a horrible O-line is at a nearly insurmountable disadvantage.
Use that 1st-round pick on another O-lineman and a 2nd-round QB will have a better chance at success than a 1st-round QB without the line upgrade.It depends on how you define horrible O-line. You could make the argument that the Colts and Chargers have awful lines, but those teams succeed because they don't exactly torpedo their offenses by sucking. Some would argue that, because they don't limit their offenses and can be schemed around, they can't be a horrible o-line, they are merely unremarkable.
But I'll also say that Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers didn't develop behind bad OLs. They benefitted from good line play in their developmental years. And the tried and true way to develop a QB is go allow him good line play in his developmental years.
Defensewins 04-27-2011, 04:51 PM If we keep that second round pick I would much rather use it on a front 7 defender.
And whats to say that our O-Line will be horrible this year? Just because of what happened last year? I saw the Falcons and Chief O-Lines change over the course of one offseason with little if any additions, and even though the Falcons drafted Sam Baker in 08 he still only played 5 games.
We have Trent Williams not to mention a chance to choose between a healthy Jammal Brown and Ryan Harris. Davin Joesph is also a huge favorite to come here. Kory L got a year of starting experience, Will Montgomery is improving, and I'm sure that between Cook and Capers one will develop into a solid starter. Heck even Heyer improved last year into a respectable swing man.
Bottom line we could easily be going into next year with 3 pro bowl level starters (Williams, Brown, Joesph) or at worst 2 pro bowlers and one very good young Right Tackle.
Also don't forget we have plenty of late round picks and Shanahan has made a living out of getting quality lineman in rounds 5-7.
Finally in light of the improved O-Lines I mentioned in KC and ATL we will easily have more raw talent then both of them. Only thing left to do is continue feeding the late round pipeline and getting two top notch guys signed out of Joesph, Brown, and Harris.
No disrespect intended but you sound like Vinny Ceratto. I looked at last years team stats for another thread and I was shocked at how bad our offensive line played both visually and statically. We were 28th in giving up sacks with 46 sacks. We were 31st (next to last) in our QB taking hits with 110 Qb hits. Keep in the mind the worst team had 111, we were one hit away from being last. We were 30th in the league in rushing yards.
I think it is great that you are optimistic, but our O-line sucks.
That you mentioned Heyer is scary. You can not polish a turd. :cheeky-sm
Seriously though, we need new young linemen.
GTripp0012 04-27-2011, 04:53 PM We also threw more times, I believe, than any other team in football.
skinsfan69 04-27-2011, 04:57 PM You also need a good all around team. We have many needs beyond QB.
I agree, but in todays watered down NFL QB play is magnified cause it's the most important position on the field. Green Bay overcame all those injuries but the one they could never overcome if Rogers got hurt. Same with Indy. Take Manning off that team and they might be 5-11 or 6-10 every year.
Defensewins 04-27-2011, 05:00 PM We also threw more times, I believe, than any other team in football.
No, but we were fourth with 605 pass attempts compared to the #1 team the Colts with 679 pass attempts.
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