Legal Question: Jaywalkers.

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over the mountain
03-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Whether you might be found negligent for a civil matter would depend on the good ole legal standard of "what would a reasonable person under the circumstances do". The reasonable person standard is used for almost all civil negligence matters. Violation of traffic law statutes such as speeding or jaywalking is evidence of negligence but the mere violation does not establish per se or clear breach of the reas person standard. Violation of the law would have to a contributing factor to the act of negligence.

Circumstances would include things like visibility at the intersection, clothing of the ped, spped of the vehicle, who had a green, last clear chance to avoid collision. Large trucks double parked right at the edge of intersections create many collisions/problems.

In Md a civil plaintiff can not be contributorily negligent so if you hit a jaywalker, most likely a jury/court would find the jaywalker cont negligent.

Also re bicyclists, i used to hate them for their double standard attitude of wanting respect as another vehicle on the road but then they turn into jaywalking peds at a red light. Under the MVA driving guidelines which i read/review every so often it states that a bicyclist must make every effort to not block/take up a lane and to be as far to the right of the lane as possible and follow all vehicle traffic laws.

So they cant take up the whole lane if it is reasonably safe for them to move over to the right side of the lane. While the MVA guidleines are not law, they are a good starting point for proper operation of a vehicle or bicycle and are avail online if you ever have a question.

Monkeydad
03-08-2011, 12:51 PM
Pretty much every urban area gets these idiots. I work in a city and it's prevalent there too.

So it ignoring the "NO TURN ON RED" sign...so the level of stupidity between peds and drivers evens out.


I have actually BEEN HIT by a moron trying to make a right turn on red with the sign saying you can't present. Luckily he stopped when I punched his hood and I wasn't hurt because I was watching him inch up as I was in the crosswalk, walking legally within the lines with the WALK sign flashing.

Right after the incident, I thought to myself, "I had my keys in my hand, I wish I had scratched the heck out of his hood as he was pushing me with his front bumper." Instincts took over...I just wanted the moron to stop. I made sure I told him how stupid he was when he finally stopped.

I always wait...because there are idiots out there...but the thread is right, walkers can be idiots too.


Bottom line...there are IDIOTS EVERYWHERE!

firstdown
03-08-2011, 01:42 PM
What's jaywalking? Its against the law to cross the street in some areas? U guys need to move.

mredskins
03-08-2011, 01:47 PM
Pretty much every urban area gets these idiots. I work in a city and it's prevalent there too.

So it ignoring the "NO TURN ON RED" sign...so the level of stupidity between peds and drivers evens out.


I have actually BEEN HIT by a moron trying to make a right turn on red with the sign saying you can't present. Luckily he stopped when I punched his hood and I wasn't hurt because I was watching him inch up as I was in the crosswalk, walking legally within the lines with the WALK sign flashing.

Right after the incident, I thought to myself, "I had my keys in my hand, I wish I had scratched the heck out of his hood as he was pushing me with his front bumper." Instincts took over...I just wanted the moron to stop. I made sure I told him how stupid he was when he finally stopped.

I always wait...because there are idiots out there...but the thread is right, walkers can be idiots too.


Bottom line...there are IDIOTS EVERYWHERE!

Mayberry is not a city, FYI.

MTK
03-08-2011, 01:53 PM
:lol:

Mayberry

KLHJ2
03-08-2011, 01:57 PM
When I have to hit the brakes for someone who just decides to cross the street randomly nowhere near a crosswalk right in front of a moving car (live a day in DC and you see it a dozen times), I ALWAYS honk the horn. Eff you. Sidewalks are for peds, roads are for cars. Obey the damn rules.

It's like my ongoing beef with all the people who wear their fancy biker spandex in Rock Creek Park and on Beach Road and ride their bikes like they own the road. Why should I yield to you and/or get out of your way when you run every freaking stop sign and disobey all the rules cars have to obey?

Whats wrong with my "fancy biker spandex"?

JK I hate those guys on Beach Road too. Every Saturday and Sunday like clockwork.

Monkeydad
03-08-2011, 02:22 PM
Mayberry is not a city, FYI.

:doh:


Maybe I should have used the term "ghetto".

firstdown
03-08-2011, 04:13 PM
Mayberry is not a city, FYI.

Your right its a way of life.

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