Any Car Negotiation Advice???

Sorry FD, but fkuids two times in a row made me LOL.

Go low like around $16,500 and work up. They might luagh at you but they may also say yes. You can always go higher but you can never go lower after making an offer. Car sales are slow so you have that going for you. Have you looked in the private market because you can usually save money that way and just because its cerified really means nothing. To me certified just gives them a chance to cover up abuse and neglect. I rather see a car before they get to clean it up and change the fkuids. After they change the fkuids you cannot tell much by looking at new fluids.

A visual test of the fkuids is a very poor indicator of its condition. If you want to know the true condition of a fkuid, send it off to a lab for an analysis (http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/Vteclover/Si-3000mileAmsoilUOA.jpg) where you will get a detailed report that has actual meaning.

looking at transmission fluid, before a change, is a VERY good indicator of what is going on. Fluid that is almost black is a sure sign of heat buildup. Gritty particles in the fluid also are telltale signs of problems. Most tranny fluid that is nearing the end of its service life will be light brown in color.

When we got my wifes car, a mitsubishi mirage that had 155,000 miles on it, the first thing i checked was the transmission fluid. It was light brown and needed changed. We changed it 2 times to get all the old fluid out, and now, 5,000 miles later, it is still brand new red. Fine shifts and all that. Had the fluid been black, i would have never got the car...

A visual test of the fkuids is a very poor indicator of its condition. If you want to know the true condition of a fkuid, send it off to a lab for an analysis (http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/Vteclover/Si-3000mileAmsoilUOA.jpg) where you will get a detailed report that has actual meaning.


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looking at transmission fluid, before a change, is a VERY good indicator of what is going on. Fluid that is almost black is a sure sign of heat buildup. Gritty particles in the fluid also are telltale signs of problems. Most tranny fluid that is nearing the end of its service life will be light brown in color.

When we got my wifes car, a mitsubishi mirage that had 155,000 miles on it, the first thing i checked was the transmission fluid. It was light brown and needed changed. We changed it 2 times to get all the old fluid out, and now, 5,000 miles later, it is still brand new red. Fine shifts and all that. Had the fluid been black, i would have never got the car...

Eh, not really.

Different fluids break down is various ways for various reasons. If you want to know the truth and not take a guess, get it analyzed.

Eh, not really.

Different fluids break down is various ways for various reasons. If you want to know the truth and not take a guess, get it analyzed.


This and it say since you changed your fluid the tranny has run great for 5k miles really means squat.

You can actually damage an older transmission by changing the fluid, if it has never been changed and then suddenly you change it that could throw your tranny into a tailspin. If you have an old tranny with the original fluid in it better to let it run until it dies then to switch out the fluid.

This and it say since you changed your fluid the tranny has run great for 5k miles really means squat.

You can actually damage an older transmission by changing the fluid, if it has never been changed and then suddenly you change it that could throw your tranny into a tailspin. If you have an old tranny with the original fluid in it better to let it run until it dies then to switch out the fluid.

We do used oil analysis here at the shop, and it really is amazing as to what it can tell you.

And i do agree with the not changing the old fluid in very old transmissions. There is actually a transmission recharge kit that we put in the old transmissions when the fluid is changed in old units. What it does is put a coating back on the friction plates after fresh fluid goes in. This is why old transmissions fail in older mainly pre 2000 year vehicles. The fresh fluid washes off all the friction material on the plates, and they slip and fail. most modern transmissions are essentially computer controlled manuals, and they handle fluid changes just fine...