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Monkeydad 02-03-2011, 02:32 PM I wouldn't exactly call our acquisitions similar. Some of the same spots, sure... same level players? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Brandon Lloyd
Adam Archuletta
Todd Collins
:D
Defensewins 02-03-2011, 02:36 PM I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.
I am glad you said that. I was about to say something.
freddyg12 02-03-2011, 02:53 PM I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.
Back in the day of JLC at RI on the post, he did a comarison of the Bears to the Skins to point out how different the bears approach was; they valued draft picks & placed emphasis on re-signing their own players. Of course that was before they shelled out picks for Cutler & big $ for Peppers.
CrustyRedskin 02-03-2011, 02:57 PM Jack Kent Cooke has cursed the team....LOL!
They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.
GTripp0012 02-03-2011, 04:30 PM I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.
Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]
Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).
I should point out that the Redskins-Bears comparison is more of a poor attempt at comedy on my part rather than actual hard hitting analysis.Noted for accuracy.
skinsguy 02-03-2011, 04:39 PM They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.
When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.
Defensewins 02-03-2011, 04:44 PM While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.
Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]
Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).
Noted for accuracy.
Yes Sir! You are correct.
redsk1 02-03-2011, 04:46 PM We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.
Yep, we've got a new regime. Let's pray they get it right over the next few years.
Ruhskins 02-03-2011, 05:32 PM While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.
Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]
Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).
Noted for accuracy.
I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.
We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?
I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.
SouperMeister 02-03-2011, 05:54 PM We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.Let's not put all of our draft woes on Vinny (I can't believe I'm defending him). Joe Gibbs, much like Shanahan today, had the final say on all personnel decisions from 2004 through 2007. The only offseason that I pin entirely on Vinny is 2008, although that was among the worst offseasons in franchise history:
Plugged hard to promote Zorn from newly hired OC to head coach
10 player draft has yielded ONE starter (Kareem Moore who is marginal, at best)
Getting rid of Vinny was certainly the right move. We have to keep the faith that Shanny is changing the culture here, and will start winning when he acquires more of his type of players through the draft and free agency.
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