Snyder Camp Upset!!

I like to do what seems reasonable and makes sense. I don't always get there, but that is the goal.
SO, I do my own survey among my email list (about 50), my family, mom, etc.
I ask, "What does the term Redskin make you think of" (some old, some young)? Well I got some smartass shit...like bad football, chaos, etc(to be expected).
Not one person associated the term Redskin with a derogatory characterization of the American Indian. I personally have never, in my lifetime heard anyone use that term other than for the Wash Redskins. EXCEPT in a couple of Very old....crappy...Hollywood Cowboy movies.

wow, not sure how this thread turned this way..... but ill add to it:


90% of Native Americans are cool with the Washington Redskins name:
Annenberg Public Policy Center (http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/NewsDetails.aspx?myId=89)



Can we go back to the Danny Boy bashing?

Hog 1 how many of the people you interviewed are american Indian? You cannot tell one race what is/ isnot offensive to them.

Imagine there is a tv show on called "wet-back" and was on for a long time, so much so that everyone associated wet-back with the funny tv show of that name. It still doesn't make the term is any less offensive to hispanics.

I like to do what seems reasonable and makes sense. I don't always get there, but that is the goal.
SO, I do my own survey among my email list (about 50), my family, mom, etc.
I ask, "What does the term Redskin make you think of" (some old, some young)? Well I got some smartass shit...like bad football, chaos, etc(to be expected).
Not one person associated the term Redskin with a derogatory characterization of the American Indian. I personally have never, in my lifetime heard anyone use that term other than for the Wash Redskins. EXCEPT in a couple of Very old....crappy...Hollywood Cowboy movies.

and J.M. Barrie's Neverland

Hog 1 how many of the people you interviewed are american Indian? You cannot tell one race what is/ isnot offensive to them.

Imagine there is a tv show on called "wet-back" and was on for a long time, so much so that everyone associated wet-back with the funny tv show of that name. It still doesn't make the term is any less offensive to hispanics.

While I wished that was true, that actually isn't. I was in a conversation with an African-American man one day and we got on the subject of race. He basically stated to me that while it is very offensive to the black race for white people to use racial slurs against black people, it is widely acceptable for black people to use racial slurs against white people. He justified it by saying that the words that black people used on white people were more or less "silly" names and should not be taken to offense like the names that a racist white person would use to describe black people. Now, have no idea if this truly is the belief amongst all black people in this country, but that is just what he stated. He also went on to state that white people should never use the term "boy" if talking about a black male, but it was OK for blacks to use the term "boy" in describing white males.

So, I would say, based on this info this gentleman had presented to me, it would seem like that rule doesn't apply to all. I'm hoping this was just his thoughts and nothing that is widely accepted amongst minorities, otherwise I would question the validity of fighting for equality. I, myself, would find any word that is used to disparage a race offensive. But, I think one should also consider the contextin which the word is being used. For instance, computer guys like myself find it a compliment to be called "computer geeks". We feel that is the highest form of flattery one could ever receive in the I.T. world. But, growing up through school, if you were called a geek, you were someone who was very unpopular, backwards, and would only find friends with other geeks. Maybe it's because most of us geeks grow up to be bosses of the "non-geeks"? Who knows?

I said all that to say, when we talk about racial slurs, are we just talking about the word itself? Shouldn't we also consider what context the word is being used? Just a thought.

Hog 1 how many of the people you interviewed are american Indian? You cannot tell one race what is/ is not offensive to them.

Imagine there is a tv show on called "wet-back" and was on for a long time, so much so that everyone associated wet-back with the funny tv show of that name. It still doesn't make the term is any less offensive to hispanics.

No, I cannot...or at least should not. I don't really know how many are actually insulted and offended by the American Indian thing.
I am confident the Batallions of attorneys are so offended, they have their hands out for endless compensation. (JoeRedskin not withstanding)
I am confident the ACLU's and their knock off organization are offended enough to offer more of the same.
I am confident there will be no shortage of.....deeply offended and insulted parties any time a "settlement check" might become available.
BUT I am not so sure how many people would be offended and insulted about this issue if the monetary enrichment, media spotlight were removed and the Armies of advisors went away?
BTW, my survey group had one American Indian known....not sure how many are still in the closet?

I will side with Snyder from what i heard last night but i will read this whole thread first..

If we were winning again I dont really think there would be that much of a thing.

While I wished that was true, that actually isn't. I was in a conversation with an African-American man one day and we got on the subject of race. He basically stated to me that while it is very offensive to the black race for white people to use racial slurs against black people, it is widely acceptable for black people to use racial slurs against white people. He justified it by saying that the words that black people used on white people were more or less "silly" names and should not be taken to offense like the names that a racist white person would use to describe black people. Now, have no idea if this truly is the belief amongst all black people in this country, but that is just what he stated. He also went on to state that white people should never use the term "boy" if talking about a black male, but it was OK for blacks to use the term "boy" in describing white males.

So, I would say, based on this info this gentleman had presented to me, it would seem like that rule doesn't apply to all. I'm hoping this was just his thoughts and nothing that is widely accepted amongst minorities, otherwise I would question the validity of fighting for equality. I, myself, would find any word that is used to disparage a race offensive. But, I think one should also consider the contextin which the word is being used. For instance, computer guys like myself find it a compliment to be called "computer geeks". We feel that is the highest form of flattery one could ever receive in the I.T. world. But, growing up through school, if you were called a geek, you were someone who was very unpopular, backwards, and would only find friends with other geeks. Maybe it's because most of us geeks grow up to be bosses of the "non-geeks"? Who knows?

I said all that to say, when we talk about racial slurs, are we just talking about the word itself? Shouldn't we also consider what context the word is being used? Just a thought.

As a black man let me tell you that the statement that man told you is not true and not the feeling of our race. I cannot tell you that if I called you a "cracker" is a joke and should not be offensive to you, especially if it hurt your feelings. Many times society groups have taken a negative term like the N-word or geeks and used it amonst themselves in an indearing way. However that does not change the original context being indeed very negative.

We all now the history of the Redskins and the fact is that when the name was changed from the Braves, it was changed under the leadership of a racist biggot. The Redskins have a long and established history as a team, but it doesn't make the name any less right. Money or no money being involved.

29. As a direct and proximate result of the above-described conduct by Defendants, and each of them, Mr. Snyder has suffered general and special damages in an amount of not less than One Million Dollars ($1,000,000), including damage to Mr. Snyder's reputations and standing in the community, shame, mortification, hurt feelings, embarrassment, humiliation, damage to peace of mind, emotional distress, and injury in his occupation. Although the full nature, extent, and amount of these damages are currently unknown, this Complaint will be amended at or before trial to insert such information if such amendment is deemed necessary by the Court

Man, I wish I had the money to sue for hurt feelings. I know some would like to sue me.

Mark Rypien is half Cherokee?