Ongoing CBA discussions

It took a date-with-disaster deadline for the government to move. Sadly the same may apply to the NFL.

Of course, the silver lining difference in situation is that the NFL standoff has Susan Nelson in the middle and she can kick some ass and take names.

Wish that this were the case - - but I doubt it.

She can suggest that the sides get together and talk but I doubt that she can order them to do so or else she will find both sides in contempt of court and put them all behind bars. [Come to think of it, THAT might solve this problem quickly...]

She cannot force either side to agree to anything when/if they do agree to any more negotiating on their own or with a mediator.

Plus, whatever she decides is going to face an appeal no matter which side sees itself as the "loser" here. It is even possible that her ruling will contain something that both sides find unpalatable such that both sides appeal the ruling.

No offense to Judge Nelson here, but she is but one cog in a much larger legal wheel that will turn for a while before all of this is settled - - outside of her courtroom...

I'm glad Mason called out this clown. Goodell is obsessed with his iron clad fist. There is a time and a place for it and now is not the time to be "crying" about a drug that doesn't even enhance performance.

lol...How'd I miss this gem?

/faceplam


My only question is why they are so adamant about implementing a HGH testing policy. Do they not know that's how the NFL got to where it's at? Because guys have been juicing and taking shit to enhance that level of play to where it impossible to believe? Lavar Arrington weighing in at 251 running a 4.54 in the 40 and people believe that's natural?...lol (Courtney Brown's numbers were even sicker)

The NFL's argument is only "this big."
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lol...How'd I miss this gem?

/faceplam


My only question is why they are so adamant about implementing a HGH testing policy. Do they not know that's how the NFL got to where it's at? Because guys have been juicing and taking shit to enhance that level of play to where it impossible to believe? Lavar Arrington weighing in at 251 running a 4.54 in the 40 and people believe that's natural?...lol (Courtney Brown's numbers were even sicker)

This picture also works nicely as a double entente, NC Skins, to describe how small the crotchular region is on all the 'roided out players.

Wish that this were the case - - but I doubt it.

She can suggest that the sides get together and talk but I doubt that she can order them to do so or else she will find both sides in contempt of court and put them all behind bars. [Come to think of it, THAT might solve this problem quickly...]

She cannot force either side to agree to anything when/if they do agree to any more negotiating on their own or with a mediator.

Plus, whatever she decides is going to face an appeal no matter which side sees itself as the "loser" here. It is even possible that her ruling will contain something that both sides find unpalatable such that both sides appeal the ruling.

No offense to Judge Nelson here, but she is but one cog in a much larger legal wheel that will turn for a while before all of this is settled - - outside of her courtroom...

I don't disagree with anything that you said except that the concept of putting people behind bars goes too far. She does have the power to grant the injunction to end the lockout. Sure, that will be appealed, but that still means more forward progress than with Jerry Jones banging his fist and being totally uncooperative without penalty, as we saw before.

Plus, in the longer term she may be overseeing things as Doty did before. That creates a stick for both sides to play relatively nice and cooperatively.

Further, she can really damage the PR built up by either side. For example, if owners are in clear violation of her requests, it will be easy to perceive them as the greedy bad guys.

My original comparison was to the government shutdown threat, which had no referee with teeth in between the parties. Nelson may have limited teeth but they are better than no teeth at all.

The sides have been sent to the Judge's chamber:

Cindy Boren:
Judge orders NFL, players to resume talks under supervision of mediator from federal court system in Minneapolis. NFL, players ordered to resume talks - The Washington Post (http://wapo.st/eHO5YV)

The judge's Bio (short and sweet) from Minnesota Court page:
Guidant MDL | United States District Court - District of Minnesota (http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/MDL-Guidant/judge-arthur-j-boylan.shtml)

The definition of a Federal Magistrate (From Judgepedia - yeah I LOL@that)
Federal magistrate judge - Judgepedia (http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Federal_magistrate_judge)

So, who's going to send Matty and SmootSmack to mediation when they have their disagreements? LOL.

lol...How'd I miss this gem?

/faceplam


My only question is why they are so adamant about implementing a HGH testing policy. Do they not know that's how the NFL got to where it's at? Because guys have been juicing and taking shit to enhance that level of play to where it impossible to believe? Lavar Arrington weighing in at 251 running a 4.54 in the 40 and people believe that's natural?...lol (Courtney Brown's numbers were even sicker)

I've already been down this road with people on this board. HGH IS NOT a performance enhancer. It DOES NOT make you stronger. It DOES NOT make you run faster. The drugs that makes you stronger are certain types of steroids....trenbolone or tren, any type of test, d-bol, deca...those are the ones that makes you big and strong and might enhance performance... IF taken the right way, and the correct diet and the right type of training.

ALSO... believe it or not there are PLENTY guys out there that are natually 250 or bigger and can run fast and lift a ton of weight. Sounds like you've bought in to the media BS. lol.

I've already been down this road with people on this board. HGH IS NOT a performance enhancer. It DOES NOT make you stronger. It DOES NOT make you run faster. The drugs that makes you stronger are certain types of steroids....trenbolone or tren, any type of test, d-bol, deca...those are the ones that makes you big and strong and mighht enhance performance... IF taken the right way, and the correct diet and the right type of training.

ALSO... believe it or not there are PLENTY guys out there that are natually 250 or bigger and can run fast and lift a ton of weight. Sounds like you've bought in to the media BS. lol.

You are correct sir. Not proud to say that I'm around this shit alot. HGH will not make you faster and stronger. Although with the proper diet and training your appearance is vastly different. Test, dbol deca. Those will enhance performance.

You are correct sir. Not proud to say that I'm around this shit alot. HGH will not make you faster and stronger. Although with the proper diet and training your appearance is vastly different. Test, dbol deca. Those will enhance performance.

True. If anything it's a drug that will lean you up and make your skin tighter around your muscles.

I've already been down this road with people on this board. HGH IS NOT a performance enhancer. It DOES NOT make you stronger. It DOES NOT make you run faster. The drugs that makes you stronger are certain types of steroids....trenbolone or tren, any type of test, d-bol, deca...those are the ones that makes you big and strong and might enhance performance... IF taken the right way, and the correct diet and the right type of training. .

You are correct sir. Not proud to say that I'm around this shit alot. HGH will not make you faster and stronger. Although with the proper diet and training your appearance is vastly different. Test, dbol deca. Those will enhance performance.

Not sure where either of you get your information regarding PEDs, but HGH will cause muscle (and bone) structure growth within your body. The reason it's so heavily used is because they don't test for it currently and never had a test for it until recently.

This muscle and bone structure growth ultimately makes you stronger. You want to know why Barry Bond's head size increased? It's because his bone structure increased allowing the muscle on his body to increase also. Taking HGH is like turning back the clock in time.

I'm not debating it whether you'll get more strength from a 6 week cycle of Deca/D-bol mix vs HGH. However, the HGH changes will be permanent (bone structure anyways), the Deca/D-bol results will not when one stops the cycle.

I've taken a 185lb guy and turned him into a 245lb monster. Within 6 months of him stopping steroids, this guy was down to almost his original size.

I don't condone steroids, nor do I judge people that use them. To each their own. The reason I know it's a big thing in the NFL is because there is a guy currently in the NFL I know. Matt Dodge. You might have heard of him, or seen him diving at DeSean Jackson's shoe strings as he ran by. This guy was a steroid freak here at ECU. You'd think he played outside linebacker with his size. When Matt's saying that HGH is prevalent in the NFL, I"m going to be inclined to believe him since he does the shit.


*links removed at request of owner* (81% muscle increase in studies...lol...not a enhancer folks)


I suggest you two look at what HGH can really do for the human body. I assure you, I haven't bought into any "media myths". I normally do my own research on the subject at hand.

Poster boy for HGH in the NFL. (David Boston)

http://www.finder-people.info/_cache/D/img/y_images_David%20Boston_0.jpg
I still remember this article where Doctors could tell the skeleton structure had change from Ohio State and the NFL. (particularly the jawline)

A most likely candidate.

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