firstdown
02-07-2011, 01:34 PM
That and the fact that excluding groups rarely works...see the exclusion of Ba'ath party in Iraq and Taliban in Afghanistan. You want them to have a voice even if you dont agree with them...unlike al qada they can at least play political ball.
So you think the Taliban should have a say in Afghanistan government? What your doing then is recognizing them because of their violence. Why not just let the prisoners run the jail.
hooskins
02-07-2011, 03:52 PM
first, those types of extremist parties developed because they were not included in the process. They, and segments of the population, get alienated thus creating some of the radical opposition we see in the ME this day.
CRedskinsRule
02-07-2011, 04:20 PM
So you think the Taliban should have a say in Afghanistan government? What your doing then is recognizing them because of their violence. Why not just let the prisoners run the jail.
Clearly the violent sections should be held out to whatever extent possible, however, by including all groups in discussions you offer the possibility of co-opting the extreme parties base of support. The majority of people will not look for a revolutionary party when they feel their basic concerns and beliefs are being respected.
There will be a section that will back out on their own, but they should be made to make that decision, thus alienating some of their less extreme supporters who want to try and work things out through a process.
GMScud
02-09-2011, 08:28 PM
Saudis told Obama to back Mubarak (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/)
CRedskinsRule
02-10-2011, 10:52 AM
Honestly I didn't expect this:
BreakingNews Breaking News
Two sources inside Egypt president's office say that Mubarak will step down tonight , VP Omar Suleiman will take over as leader - NBC
SirClintonPortis
02-11-2011, 11:22 AM
Yep, it's official.
Live coverage: Mubarak resigns, hands power to the military - (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/02/military-vows-free-election-offers-conditional-end-to-emergency-law/1)
Update at 11:08 a.m. ET: Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators erupted in jubilation in Tahrir Square as vice president Omar Suleiman announces that President Mubarak has resigned and called on the army to "run the affairs of the country."
What's the lesson learned here? When negotiating, DO NOT back down too early.
SmootSmack
02-11-2011, 11:36 AM
Jerry Sloan, Hosni Mubarak, who will resign tomorrow? These things happen in threes, don't they?
What a remarkable thing to watch right now.
CRedskinsRule
02-11-2011, 11:45 AM
I heard talk of a Warpath rebellion maybe calling for the resignation of a certain Diva Mod on this board -- but I doubt it will go very far
SmootSmack
02-11-2011, 11:53 AM
I heard talk of a Warpath rebellion maybe calling for the resignation of a certain Diva Mod on this board -- but I doubt it will go very far
Yeah I don't think Gmanc is going to be resigning any time soon
firstdown
02-11-2011, 11:59 AM
Well then maybe Bush was right when he said after the middle east sees what freedom looks like it will spread. That was pretty much his theme in his second term. HMMMMMM
CNN.com - Bush expounds on theme of freedom - Jan 26, 2005 (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/26/bush/)
I guess Bush was correct back in 2005.