Updated Title: World Revolution 2011

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12thMan
03-22-2011, 06:02 PM
Sarah the Impaler from Alaska accused Obama of just that just hours before the bombs started falling.

I'm sure Obama was following her presser to see if she gave him the green light to start bombing.This has to be the first time in the history of the world that a President sends 30,000 troops into battle, doubles down on Drone strikes in Pakistan, and engages in warfare in Libya yet is being accused of being weak on national security. Huh?

What's scary --really scary-- is that this woman is running for president and her followers believe everything she says.

12thMan
03-22-2011, 06:06 PM
I think Yemen is different because, well, they are cooperating with us on al-Queda. So they are helping to serve our national security interest, as odd as that seems.

Lotus
03-22-2011, 06:07 PM
Meanwhile in Yemen...

It seems unlikely that places like Egypt and Tunisia will go the way of al Qaeda. Yemen, however, is a different story. It could easily come to resemble a failed state like Somalia and serve as a paradise for al Qaeda activity.

If this analysis is correct, should we get involved or not? Our involvement could backfire. Our noninvolvement could backfire.

Lotus
03-22-2011, 06:09 PM
I'm sure Obama was following her presser to see if she gave him the green light to start bombing.This has to be the first time in the history of the world that a President sends 30,000 troops into battle, doubles down on Drone strikes in Pakistan, and engages in warfare in Libya yet is being accused of being weak on national security. Huh?

What's scary --really scary-- is that this woman is running for president and her followers believe everything she says.

Yeah, overseeing three military theaters is "weak."

Perhaps my faith is blind but I feel that Governor Quitter will self-destruct, leaving her with only her most loyal zombies.

saden1
03-22-2011, 06:09 PM
I know Iraq keeps getting thrown around, but let's not forget Bush received authorization for use of force from Congress....with bi-partisan support before the first bomb dropped.

Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution)

Between Congress and the UN giving support, I'd rather have Congressional support.

Pres. Obama did not request congressional authorization for this action in Libya (although he's not required to get one). He had UN Security Council authorization, but keep in mind 5 countries abstained from voting, two who could have nixed the authorization (China, Russia). Putin BTW has come out blasting the US since the no-fly zone was imposed.

I would've much rather seen countries from the Arab League and Europe handle this from day one. We could've provided some logistics or intel support, but they should've taken the lead.

Arab League? The ones being overthrown? You can't be serious!

saden1
03-22-2011, 06:13 PM
A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
With that said the United States has only declared war 5 times in it's entire history. Clinton set the precedent with Operation Desert Fox and his two successors have followed suit.

What about the Korean "War?"

BuckSkin
03-22-2011, 06:33 PM
After the Japanese surrender in WWII, the Allies divided the Korean peninsula at the 38 parallel(much the same as the majority of Europe). United States was assigned protectorate of modern day South Korea and the Soviets in the north. When the North Koreans invaded the US was forced onto the conflict by treaty. The same would happen today if say..... a member of NATO was invaded.

saden1
03-22-2011, 07:04 PM
After the Japanese surrender in WWII, the Allies divided the Korean peninsula at the 38 parallel(much the same as the majority of Europe). United States was assigned protectorate of modern day South Korea and the Soviets in the north. When the North Koreans invaded the US was forced onto the conflict by treaty. The same would happen today if say..... a member of NATO was invaded.

In other words we didn't declare war and the United Nations gave us permission to go to war.

BuckSkin
03-22-2011, 07:24 PM
In other words we didn't declare war and the United Nations gave us permission to go to war.

The Treaty (which has to be registered with the UN) with South Korea mandated that the US come to their aid when the North invaded. Failure to comply with a treaty is like breach of contract, in that a nation can be "liable" under International Law.

firstdown
03-22-2011, 09:22 PM
False. A declaration of war, politically and legally, is different from a peace keeping mission. A declaration of war is a formal gesture which has not happened in terms of Libya.

So Japan did not declare war in us when they dropped bombs on pearl Harbour?

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