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Gmanc711 12-13-2004, 01:16 AM I dont know about everyone else, I'm freaking heartbroken. But I'm damn proud of our guys. We still have alot of things we need to fix, espcially our playbook, Ramsey is still obviously not smart enough yet, that was a horrible decision, but I'm not too pissed at him. I am but there was plenty of blame to go around.
Defensivley, what can you say. Those guys are awsome. Theres really no better way to put it, they are awsome. I really hope Springs is alright.
I dont know, they played their asses off tonight, I'm pretty dissapointed because we had that game. But I defintley think we have alot to look forward too.
Thoughts?
Bozzy 12-13-2004, 01:19 AM Ramsey made a rookie mistake, and because he missed most of this season, he's rusty. So he has two excuses. I don't blame him.
BleedBurgundy 12-13-2004, 01:20 AM Yeah, I agree with you Gmanc. Has anyone heard about Springs yet? As far as Ramsey, that was a boneheaded move. He's come a long way with his decision making but he's still not where we need him to be yet. I think that we played an overall good game. This was the class of the NFC that we went up against tonight. We should have taken it to overtime, and while a loss is never good, I believe it did show a national audience that the Skins are a heck of a lot better than their record. I didn't watch the game (I'm at work), can someone please describe the interception? Was it a bad throw, was anyone in a Skins uniform anywhere around? What happened?
LongTimeSkinsFan 12-13-2004, 01:24 AM MegaKudos to Greg Williams for coming up with nothing less than a brilliant defensive scheme to frustrate the crap out of the Eagles offense. The offense had a few sparkling moments but was sporadic and I think that mostly centered around PRs decision making on the field. There were quite a few plays where the commentators pointed out Ramsey was just missing seeing some wide open targets- Coles a couple of times and CP downfield (on the TD pass that Cooley dropped no less!). I was really confused by the playcalling this game. I hate to say it, but it seemed like we were just trying everything to see what would work. I seriously expected a more cohesive attack than what we had tonight. I was really proud of how well they played the Eagles though and it was more of what I expected of them, but it still hurts knowing that we blew several chances to win this game. I do think that the Eagles left Fed-Ex knowing they got one hell of a gift though and next year (as we have been so apt to say as Redskins fans) it will be a different story.
cpayne5 12-13-2004, 01:25 AM At the beginning of the season, I said that improvement over the course of the season would be a great sign. I see that.
As for the play in the endzone, anyone else how the commentators went from 'yeah, they've gotta win it. they shouldn't be playing for the tie at this point.' to 'i can't believe they did that when all they had to do was kick a FG' in the span of about 30 seconds?! What idiots.
Anyway. Ramsey has played doggone well, IMO, since he's been in there. All Gibbs has been asking of Ramsey so far is to not lose games. I think Ramsey's done a good job of this. That was a bad interception, but he will definitely learn from it. A game like this is hard, but we did play one of the best teams in the league pretty darn close.
If we keep making progress and keep with the 'continuity' theme, then we will become a team like the Eagles are. I love our defense. The offense needs to play more consistently, attract less penalties, and play with a high confidence level (which I think they are developing each week).
LongTimeSkinsFan 12-13-2004, 01:26 AM I didn't watch the game (I'm at work), can someone please describe the interception? Was it a bad throw, was anyone in a Skins uniform anywhere around? What happened?
the INT was plain and simple a bad decision. PR threw into the end zone intended for Cooley who was 2x covered. As far as Springs, all I heard was that he suffered a concussion but is OK. Still waiting on X-rays to confirm no serious injuries.
SmootSmack 12-13-2004, 01:27 AM I have mixed feelings.
We played hard and really fought to make it a game. But at the same time we did stupid things to keep it a game when we could have been pulling away. Aside from the horrible PI call on Springs, we had some really stupid penalties that we can't continue to keep making. And Mike Sellers! I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone.
Playcalling was frustrating but not all that different from last week I don't think and that worked like a charm. Granted, Philly and the Giants are quite different. There were a couple of times though that a short play was all they needed and they want for the big play. That made no sense to me. A 3rd and 2 comes to mind, along with the Ramsey interception.
Coles and Cooley were great today. I thought we'd see more of Darkerian since Ramsey seems to like him.
Overall it's a frustrating loss, but hopefully we can build on this and turn these tough losses into wins next season.
Above all though, apparently Shawn Springs is ok and that's what matters most
LongTimeSkinsFan 12-13-2004, 01:31 AM As for the play in the endzone, anyone else how the commentators went from 'yeah, they've gotta win it. they shouldn't be playing for the tie at this point.' to 'i can't believe they did that when all they had to do was kick a FG' in the span of about 30 seconds?! What idiots.
I totally agree. Who was that fat dude with the mustache anyway? He was flip-flopping so much during the game it became annoying. Did like hearing JT offer his insight from playing under Gibbs though. Allowed you to understand the philosophy behind the decisions better.
rome108 12-13-2004, 01:32 AM As much as I wanted to rip Ramsey's heart out after that int, now that i've cooled off... you can't put all the blame on him. Yes, there were 3 green shirts in the corner and yes, the throw was well over thrown to Cooley, but hey? who the fuck called a deep pass on 1&10 from the 27? That was just a stupid play call. I would have been happy with three runs for a few yards each and hope one broke open or even a few dump off passes, but going for the bomb was totally unexpected, really bad play calling, if you ask me.
Whats more, early during the game, we were moving the ball well, Portis was running okay, the short passes were working, but no deep balls. Our drives would stall around mid field. What's up with that? What ever happened to the play action or bomb? You can't ask a guy (Ramsey) who hasen't thrown a completed deep pass all game to all of a sudden go out and win it all in the end and that's what they did when panic set in and we were down 17-7, then the skins started throwing deep to catch up.
I'm sorry, but as much as I'd like to blame Ramsey for the loss, the offensive play calling sucked, just as it has all season, this was not all just Ramsey's int.
Gmanc711 12-13-2004, 01:36 AM The more I am removed for the game, the better I feel. I'm still really dissapointed, but like Cpayne said, were showing so much improvement. This is the same team that lost to the likes of the Browns, Ravens after we had a 10 point lead, and barley beat the Bears. Were defintley coming along.
Points on indiviuals today....
Ramsey: I'm going to defend him overall, I thought he played a pretty good game, made some great moves when he was under alot of pressure. However, that INT is inexcusable, so I'm not even going to try to defend it. No matter what play was called, you cant make that desicion.
Sellers: Cut him, tommarow. Seriously.
Cooley: Dropped a crutial pass, but did what good players do and came back and made up for it. While you could contribute that one pass to our loss, he defintley did you're supposed to do after a drop and make some big plays. koodo's to Cooley.
Springs: I hope you play again this year, but the hell with all the people who called you a bad signing, you are freaking awsome. Best wishes!
Gibbs: We need to seriously reconsider some of our playcalling, or hire a offensive corrdinator. Alot is on execution, but Ramsey shouldnt have even been in the situation to make that throw. I really like how the team is coming together, and I think that is 100% on you, exellent job wtih your leadership. However, I think your playcalling is not very good.
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