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JWsleep 12-13-2004, 01:37 AM The main thing for me is how they bounce back. Next week is a weak opponent on the road. Will they play with fire and get a win? And then it's Dallas.
Coles, Cooley, and the whole D looked good. Penalties were a killer; Ramsey's int was a terrible decision. The only good that can come of it will be if he learns and grows.
About the playcalling: it was conservative to say the least, but it had us driving on the Philly 27 with 2 minutes, looking for the win. We won time of possession. We had just as many yards as Philly. We we're one big play away. This is not a disaster, it's a disapointment. Don't get me wrong: I threw my hat across the room and managed to cut my hand doing it when Ramsey tossed that duck. But we're close, closer than our record shows. Let's win out and establish something.
Gmanc711 12-13-2004, 01:38 AM Oh and one more point.... the NFL seriously needs to look at the refferee situation in the offseason. I'm not going to say they cost us this game, even though they MAY have. But they have been horrible all over the league. and while human error is going to happen somtimes, its getting alitte out of hand.
PSUskinsfan11 12-13-2004, 01:47 AM Oh and one more point.... the NFL seriously needs to look at the refferee situation in the offseason. I'm not going to say they cost us this game, even though they MAY have. But they have been horrible all over the league. and while human error is going to happen somtimes, its getting alitte out of hand.
The PI call was terrible. It should have been a no call if anything. If that play doesn't get called and Cooley catches that TD pass OR Ramsey even looks for our biggest offensive weapon, CLINTON PORTIS, out of the backfield on that play we go into half up 14-0. Wondering you guys thoughts on Chris Clemons. He makes another big play this week. Hopefully we can keep him around. Also, it was GREAT to see Coles play like he did last year again. He is a real tough player and I am glad to call him a redskin.
p.s. Sean Taylor is amazing.....just had to add that in there.
LongTimeSkinsFan 12-13-2004, 01:52 AM The PI call was terrible. It should have been a no call if anything.
I disagree here. From what I saw of the replay it should have been offensive PI. It looked pretty obvious that TO was pushing off as the ball was coming down.
Paintrain 12-13-2004, 01:53 AM Very frustrating game to watch.. THe same old themes that have plauged us continue to persist. Time management, bad, play calling, worse, stupid penalties, the worst. Mike Sellers should be cut at 9am or as soon as the league offices open. You can't be on the field for 15 plays a game and cost your team 30 yds. That 2nd penalty was just inexucsable, we could have had the ball at the 50 yd line, with momentum and he does some old dumb sh*t that killed us.
I hate to say this about Coach Gibbs, but he's coaching scared. I don't know if he still doesn't trust Ramsey or what, but today's NFL isn't a horizontal game, it's a vertical game. You have to push the ball down the field occasionally. All the WR screens and hitches don't do you a bit of good when you always have 3rd and 7. Not going for it when the ball is at the Eagles 47 and it's 4th and less than a yard, c'mon. Show some guts. On the other hand, getting stuffed twice on 3rd & 1 just shows how predictable we've gotten. Where's the play-action there? Where was the bunch formation tonight? Why wait until the 4th quarter to break out the moving pocket? Gibbs needs to hire a TRUE offensive coordinator (not Pops Breaux) to design some contemporary plays including the shotgun.
The time management is inexcusable. Running the play clock down to 3 seconds every play is not good. Not having plays ready for down and distance isn't good. It seems that Gibbs is really struggling with this aspect still. I don't think the refs helped at all in the 4th quarter. We shouldn't have had to burn that timeout if the replay ref would have called down sooner.
I think the past few weeks have shown that we have the players for the most part and we have the potential to be successful but we need to get current with what the rest of the league is doing and turn some of these close losses into wins.
skins009 12-13-2004, 01:55 AM Our playbook sucks. Why don't we throw the ball downfield. This is football. THats why Ramsey threw the pick, he had to throw these little dinks and danks all game. Gibbs clearly is to old to manage the game and call plays. He needs to hire an offensive coordinator and have him do that. Best case senario, and you heard it here first. Is mike Tice gets fired, and we hire him.
jthor99 12-13-2004, 02:04 AM this is a tough loss to swallow but i thought we played well overall. A few things i was dissapointed with was the clock management i thought it was very poor which it has been all season (how you get a delay of game penalty after a timeout just amazes me). Yes, the playcalling was skeptical but i will go out on a limb and defend gibbs call at the end going to the endzone i thought it wasnt a bad play call necisarily since we hadnt took a shot all game, but ramsey decison was just very poor BOTTOM LINE he forced something he shouldnt of. Another thing that no one else has mentioned that frusterated me was at the end when the eagles punted i belive we should of allowed the thrash to c what he could of done instead of rushing the punt i know that we are 1st in the league on blocking punts but we really need field poistion but the punt was a hell of a punt anyway i still feel that we should of let thrash of a shot thats just me thou. Defense what i can say they played a hell of a game again. One thing that did concern me is that i felt that are safeties did get burned a few times early fortunatley for us mcnabb couldnt hook up wiht the reciever. NOt like it would of mattered anyway but the O line should be ashamed of themselves the way they played during the last possesion its like they jut gave up and let Kearse through but otherwise they protected pretty well. But im not giving up this game gave me alot of hope for being a skins fan i think there will be changes made in the playbook next season but ramsey i really think is the real deal hes starting to form into something sometimes u have to make the big mistakes to learn from them. Lets win out and build for next year as hard as it is for me to say that.
Daseal 12-13-2004, 02:14 AM Honestly, I think we had another week of mediocre play calling, poor game management, decent officiating (only really one bad call, and for us, that's amazing!), and good execution. I feel the little dinky passes have their places, but you gotta take your shots.
The playcall to the endzone I don't disagree with. I was hoping for a more midrange throw to play it somewhat safe, but I also understand the call. It was a mistake by Ramsey, but he hit Cooley how many times that drive?
Guys - we played a tight game against a great team. Nothing to be ashamed of. I think with a little improvement in coaching and some rhythm and continuity with the players and next year we can make a strong run!
Gmanc711 12-13-2004, 02:14 AM I agree with someone else (who I'm too lazy to go back and remember who it was lol). Its about how this team responds. We very easily could go 3-0 to end the year and get things rolling into next year. We are playing 3 extremley winnnable games. We could feild a team of 5th strinngers and I would still expect to win on Saturday.
itvnetop 12-13-2004, 02:17 AM heh... wasn't able to keep up on the game thread cuz i watched it on my friend's big screen- but i really kept wondering why we abandoned the run in the first half after several good runs. Our O-line was dominating theirs (especially in the first quarter); and with their D-linemen getting injured, Portis was getting large chunks. It was like they'd run the ball with some success, get a first down, and then pass for three straight plays before a punt.
really impressed with the C&C connection tonight (Cooley/Coles), but John Hall's FGA was horrible! Defense, once again, shining in the absence of superstars... the line had good penetration during the second half. Keeping Westbrook in check was more important, imo, than anyone else on their O and they did just that (aside from a few big runs). Taylor is slowly catching on... glad to hear Springs is okay.
My biggest worry is solving this penalty problem... after years of digression, how do you solve this?
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