Is locker going in the first or second?

Locker is the first QB I've ever seen that's much better under center then he is in the Gun.

Locker is the first QB I've ever seen that's much better under center then he is in the Gun.

Maybe that's why he'd be much better in the 2nd or 3rd round than at #10...

IMO

This really scares me off of Locker, even though I've never heard of Russ Lande. Apparently he's best known for giving Brady and Bulger high grades pre-draft. He said,

"...I think Jake Locker hurt himself, I really do. There’s no question physically that he’s got all the tools. He’s got good mechanics, but his accuracy is terrible. I know I spoke to a coach today to get his opinion and he said if a guy’s mechanics are good and he’s smart enough, but his accuracy stinks then there’s not a lot you can do. You’re pretty much saying that you’re always going to have an inaccurate thrower. And if you can’t be accurate you cannot be a quarterback in the N.F.L. I think Locker hurt himself a lot this week...Aaron Rodgers, who coming out of college couldn’t move defenders. He was very good technically, he could throw the ball, but he couldn’t get the safety to move with his eyes. Now you watch him and he’s one of the best at pulling a guy [out of position to create an open area for a receiver].

That’s something that Jake Locker has improved upon, but the problem is that you can do all the work you want and improve in every area and if you’re inaccurate it doesn’t matter. That’s the problem with him. I love him. I want him to succeed – he’s a great kid – but he’s not accurate and I think that’s going to be his downfall. I don’t think he’s going to be a starting quarterback in the N.F.L."

Q. and A. With N.F.L. Talent Evaluator Russ Lande - NYTimes.com (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/q-and-a-with-n-f-l-talent-evaluator-russ-lande/)

His opinion is certainly worth noting, but it's only one man's opinion

Q. and A. With N.F.L. Talent Evaluator Russ Lande - NYTimes.com (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/q-and-a-with-n-f-l-talent-evaluator-russ-lande/)

I've never seen someone flat out reference Locker as inaccurate most will admit that he's very accurate on when outside the pocket or on the move.
If a QB can be very accurate on some throws how can his overall accuracy be deemed terrible?

Yeah i said that i like Locker the best.
One article about 1 day of Senior Bowl practice in the grand scheme of the evaluation process doesn't mean a whole lot.
You could read similar reports from any of the Senior Bowl QBs depending on which day you pick and which report you read.
Everything Locker does is going to be scrutinized more then the other prospects b/c he's the biggest name there.


Its the Senior Bowl they're all seniors.
And depending on which report you read he has looked the best.

2011 Senior Bowl: Jake Locker Has Another Strong Day, Continues To Improve - SB Nation Seattle (http://seattle.sbnation.com/washington-huskies/2011/1/26/1957933/2011-senior-bowl-jake-locker-practice-recap-draft-stock)


Wednesday Senior Bowl Notes: Morning Practice - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Wednesday-Senior-Bowl-Notes-Morning-Practice?urn=nfl-312852#remaining-content)


If you look back to Tebow last year there we're conflicting reports about him just like there will be conflicting reports about any heavily scrutinized prospect b/c people have there preconceived label/view points.
The Senior Bowl isn't the end all be all its a part of the evaluation process.
Many scouts and draft people feel that a prospect can't hurt their stock at an event like this b/c its a new scheme, new receivers, new OL mates etc.



To each his own.
I think Locker isn't an easy prospect for a casual fan to evaluate b/c without having watched Washington games you don't fully 'get' Locker.
I would be happy with either Newton, Locker or Gabbert although i have my doubts about how Newton would work in Kyle's seemingly rigid offense scheme.


Again, its whose opinion one values most. Mike Mayock is being kind when he said Locker is a top fifteen "athlete". He didn't say QB, but "in the top 15". Buyer beware: cautions, look at his attributes closely and judge accordingly.

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/)

The Skins need a QB to cultivate and Locker is not that QB. He has basic accuracies issues.

If you look at the interview Mayock had with Locker and other QBs, you will see Mike is not sold on Locker. He asked Locker to comment on what others are saying about his preparation and his accuracy.

Stay away from this guy and I don't believe he is worth a first or second round pick. A Pack Ten wonder, please!

Again, its whose opinion one values most. Mike Mayock is being kind when he said Locker is a top fifteen "athlete". He didn't say QB, but "in the top 15". Buyer beware: cautions, look at his attributes closely and judge accordingly.

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/)

The Skins need a QB to cultivate and Locker is not that QB. He has basic accuracies issues. If you look at the interview Mayock had with Locker and other QBs, you will see Mike is not sold on Locker. He asked Locker to comment on what others are saying about his preparation and his accuracy.

Stay away from this guy and I don't believe he is worth a first or second round pick. A Pack Ten wonder, please!

Wait what?
Since when has Mayock been 'kind' to a prospect?
He liked Tebow last year but still gave an honest assessment.
You understand that you basically questioned Mayock's integrity as a scout/draft expert right?

Its okay if you don't like Locker.
I've said that several times.
However, when you make posts like this where you claim that Mayock is not sold on Locker because of the way he interviewed him is silly.

When you post like this be prepared to support your specifics statements.
For example you say that Locker has 'basic' accuracy issues.
But, that statement simply isn't true.
Basic accuracy suggests that the guy isn't accurate at all.
But, Locker's accuracy issues are specific.
The majority of draftniks w/ the exception of Russ Lande will admit that Locker is actually very accurate outside of the pocket and on the move.
Mayock-Who is one of the few qualified draft experts b/c he (a) knows what he's talking about (b) watches film has pin-pointed Locker's exact issue.

Locker's accuracy in the pocket goes down when his vision goes down.

Wait what?
Since when has Mayock been 'kind' to a prospect?
He liked Tebow last year but still gave an honest assessment.
You understand that you basically questioned Mayock's integrity as a scout/draft expert right?

Its okay if you don't like Locker.
I've said that several times.
However, when you make posts like this where you claim that Mayock is not sold on Locker because of the way he interviewed him is silly.

When you post like this be prepared to support your specifics statements.
For example you say that Locker has 'basic' accuracy issues.
But, that statement simply isn't true.
Basic accuracy suggests that the guy isn't accurate at all.
But, Locker's accuracy issues are specific.
The majority of draftniks w/ the exception of Russ Lande will admit that Locker is actually very accurate outside of the pocket and on the move.
Mayock-Who is one of the few qualified draft experts b/c he (a) knows what he's talking about (b) watches film has pin-pointed Locker's exact issue.

Locker's accuracy in the pocket goes down when his vision goes down.


Yo, 30gut, did you look at the link I provided you with? I never said Mayock was talking out of his rear end. Listen to what he said in that clip and stop trying to make me the "heavy" here. BTW, can you explain the bold, italicize statement you made? Again, please view the clip I provided you with coming from Mayock.

CLIP, PLEASE VIEW HERE: NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/)

Accuracy is Accuracy no matter how you say it or whatever you do to fashion it. If Locker has issues in the pocket and can't hit his targets, then he is not the chosen one, is he?

Let's move on to the next QB on your want list, if you don't mind!

BTW, can you explain the bold, italicize statement you made?
I'll let Mayock explain it:
Last year at this time everyone wanted to say he'd be the No. 1 pick in the draft, and now he's an afterthought in most people's minds. I don't understand that logic. He's got all the tools to be a top-level quarterback, all the physical tools. The size and the arm strength. I just question his pocket awareness. And that's where his accuracy issues come into play.

When he moves outside the pocket, either right or left, and not just scrambling, because they did a good job with plays that moved him outside the pocket and had him throw on the run, he has good vision and is as accurate as any quarterback you'll see. But he gets into some trouble in the pocket, seeing the field, and that's where his accuracy breaks down. I'm really excited to see him at the Senior Bowl (in two weeks) and see him working with other receivers. To me he's got first-round ability. But I just need to get more comfortable with him, and his pocket awareness.
Draft analyst: Locker has 'first-round ability' (http://blog.seattlepi.com/huskies/archives/235498.asp)

If Locker has issues in the pocket and can't hit his targets, then he is not the chosen one, is he?
If it was cut and dry that Locker is inaccurate then he wouldn't be considered a top prospect by anyone especially well respected guys like Mayock and Gil Brandt.
I've watched a bunch of Washington games and I trust my eyes.

I'll let Mayock explain it:

Draft analyst: Locker has 'first-round ability' (http://blog.seattlepi.com/huskies/archives/235498.asp)

If it was cut and dry that Locker is inaccurate then he wouldn't be considered a top prospect by anyone especially well respected guys like Mayock and Gil Brandt.
I've watched a bunch of Washington games and I trust my eyes.


You never commented on the clip I provided you, 30gut, did you? Not once, but twice.

You are quoting Mayock before he saw Locker practices at the Senior Bowl, didn't you. That was then - not now.

Again, 30gut, view this clip and get back with me:

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/)

You never commented on the clip I provided you, 30gut, did you? Not once, but twice.

You are quoting Mayock before he saw Locker practices at the Senior Bowl, didn't you. That was then - not now.

Again, 30gut, view this clip and get back with me:

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Senior Bowl: Breaking down North QBs « (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/24/senior-bowl-breaking-down-north-qbs/)

I commented on that quote in my first reply:
However, when you make posts like this where you claim that Mayock is not sold on Locker because of the way he interviewed him is silly.

I actually watched the NFLN networks broadcast of the Senior Bowl practices so I not only heard Mayock and the rest of the cast in that clip but I heard them talk about the prospects throughout the entire practice.

Also, Mayock like most credible draft experts won't change their evaluation of QBs based on Senior Bowl practices its part of the evaluation process not the whole evaluation process.
Actually the most important aspect of the Senior bowl for QBs is their interaction w/ their teammates and coaches and their interviews w/ team scouts and GMs.

Also, i thought we agreed to keep the convo cool don't get so worked up.
Did you see the explanation you asked for?
Your welcome.

HTTR!
Oh, and this is the clip i think you're looking for:
NFL Videos: Senior Bowl: QBs on set (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-senior-bowl/09000d5d81deb36a/Senior-Bowl-QBs-on-set)