IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

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redskinjim
01-15-2011, 02:00 PM
This is tough, I'm between Locker & Newton but still unsure.

locker but i had not considered newton hmmmmm that is tough

Dirtbag59
01-15-2011, 02:13 PM
locker but i had not considered newton hmmmmm that is tough

Newtons ability to play through distractions should not be discounted. I mean part of me is worried about the lack of success of junior QB's but the fact of the matter is that Newton did play in college for four years so maybe it's not that big a deal. Better yet we might not draft him at all. As of now I'm terrified and intrigued at the prospect of Newton being a Redskin.

Counter-Tre
01-15-2011, 10:35 PM
I vote for 14 year old Kayla Hochhalter who participated in today's pregame Youth Football Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Good mechanics, an absolute cannon for an arm, and kicks field goals better than Gano.

44Deezel
01-15-2011, 10:41 PM
Until I see a guy like Newton win a Super Bowl, I'll lean towards pocket passers. Regardless, the Skins need to keep drafting QBs until they find a guy who will emerge as one of the top 5-10 QBs in the league. Look at the teams who consistently make the playoffs. They're typically the teams with the best QBs. For the most part, the best QBs in the NFC made the playoffs this year and only Rivers (who is no stranger to the playoffs) and Schaub missed out in the AFC. It's a Quarterback-driven league. That said, I'd take Mallet.

skinsfaninok
01-15-2011, 10:48 PM
Locker

GTripp0012
01-15-2011, 10:55 PM
Until I see a guy like Newton win a Super Bowl, I'll lean towards pocket passers. Regardless, the Skins need to keep drafting QBs until they find a guy who will emerge as one of the top 5-10 QBs in the league. Look at the teams who consistently make the playoffs. They're typically the teams with the best QBs. For the most part, the best QBs in the NFC made the playoffs this year and only Rivers (who is no stranger to the playoffs) and Schaub missed out in the AFC. It's a Quarterback-driven league. That said, I'd take Mallet.Is consistently making the playoffs really the ultimate goal though? What you're suggesting is defensible if that's the end game, because I think the playoff field, predominantly, is of the quarterbacks having the best years.

There's very little evidence to suggest that the better quarterback of two teams advances in the playoffs if the teams are equally skilled. And I think you're suggesting that instead of trying to build the best possible team, it's more important to find the best possible young quarterback.

If the goal is multiple championships, I think you build independent of the quarterback and hope to get a little lucky along the way, particularly through channels of player development. If the goal is to systematically build a playoff contender and hope to get the luck on the back end (the 2006 Colts, for example), then a top-level passing game would seemingly be the best way to do that.

GTripp0012
01-16-2011, 12:09 AM
This is a good illustration.

Just for fun, I ran a single season search for the BEST EVER seasons by quarterback who posted completion percentages as poor as one would expect Locker to post in the pros based on his college struggles.

The results are here (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1970&year_max=2010&season_start=2&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&c1stat=pass_cmp_perc_index&c1comp=lt&c1val=80&c2stat=pass_att&c2comp=gt&c2val=200&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_index).

And for this one (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1970&year_max=2010&season_start=2&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&c1stat=pass_cmp_perc_index&c1comp=lt&c1val=85&c2stat=pass_att&c2comp=gt&c2val=200&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_index), I raised the baseline a bit to increase the margin for error on Locker's projection.

FRPLG
01-16-2011, 12:17 AM
I don't see anyway we go QB at 10. Does anyone actually think Shanny is going to look at any of these guys and think they are his guy? I guess I'm fine if our goal is to pick one and play him right away so we can go 1-15 and pick Luck next year with our first pick (sarcasm). I'd chew off my toenail rather than waste a pick on one of these bums just because we need a QB. I don't see a single one that looks like they'll amount to much in the NFL honestly.

30gut
01-16-2011, 12:56 AM
This is a good illustration.

Just for fun, I ran a single season search for the BEST EVER seasons by quarterback who posted completion percentages as poor as one would expect Locker to post in the pros based on his college struggles.
Wait how do you know what expect from Locker?
I wouldn't have pegged you as a stat guy when it comes to QB evaluation.
I've watched quite a few Washington games and if you haven't watched them play you don't have a context to understand Locker's stats/comp%.

E.g. I've charted Locker's throws from the USC game and there were 5 flat out drops and a few throw aways and although i haven't charted everygame available on youtube i've watched most, and know a Husky fan that tells me that the drops were a very common occurance all season.
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Question:
Would you or the people in this forum be interested in a thread on the top QB prospects?
A thread that invite people to take a closer look (past the stats) at the commonly available game cut-ups (youtube) and discuss the particular plays from the same game so all have the same frame of reference and can discuss the specific plays that lead to the stats in context.

GTripp0012
01-16-2011, 11:30 AM
Wait how do you know what expect from Locker?
I wouldn't have pegged you as a stat guy when it comes to QB evaluation.
I've watched quite a few Washington games and if you haven't watched them play you don't have a context to understand Locker's stats/comp%.

E.g. I've charted Locker's throws from the USC game and there were 5 flat out drops and a few throw aways and although i haven't charted everygame available on youtube i've watched most, and know a Husky fan that tells me that the drops were a very common occurance all season.I just assumed that you didn't have time to go through everyones (all 18) QB prospects with a higher completion percentage than Jake Locker and chart their drops.

I'm sure Locker (like all college QBs) is plagued by drops that could extend drives and help his offense score more points. Which sucks for him. In that case, just assume that Locker's inclusion among the linked list is because his pro receivers continue to drop his balls, since the low completion % numbers Locker will post in the pros will not be his fault.

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