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Ah so the fake smile part has you bent?
Perhaps that wasn't needed, but other than that it's really pretty similar to the report that Clausen had.
How am I gonna drag Newton into this? Well we are talking about his scouting report aren't we? And his advisor, Moon, is the one that was all irked and tossing out the race card. So I think it has something to do with Newton and his ability to handle criticism.
The race card was weak.
SmootSmack 04-05-2011, 03:31 PM Nolan Nawrocki isn't some schlub. He's a former Division 1 football player whose opinion has been extremely well received by many, if not all, NFL front offices. And he wasn't the one who put his report of Cam Newton online everywhere. And it's not his fault one of the first times the common fan is getting access to a full report on a player is this time.
30gut 04-05-2011, 03:48 PM How am I gonna drag Newton into this? Well we are talking about his scouting report aren't we? And his advisor, Moon, is the one that was all irked and tossing out the race card. So I think it has something to do with Newton and his ability to handle criticism.
Lol, that's weak.
If I say something to about you that offends Smootsmack does that mean that you are unable to handle criticism?
Longtimefan 04-05-2011, 03:49 PM Nolan Nawrocki isn't some schlub. He's a former Division 1 football player whose opinion has been extremely well received by many, if not all, NFL front offices. And he wasn't the one who put his report of Cam Newton online everywhere. And it's not his fault one of the first times the common fan is getting access to a full report on a player is this time.
Nolan Nawrocki responds to Warren Moon’s claim of racial bias | ProFootballTalk (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2F2 011%2F03%2F31%2Fnolan-nawrocki-responds-to-warren-moons-claim-of-racial-bias%2F&ei=SmObTd2JHeTk0gHv8LTlAg&usg=AFQjCNEHTp9tLE_UyMduo-L6oQky-YGI-g&sig2=xJE-nKFAW0UbKoUvlQIGRA)
Here is the full Nolan Nawrocki Newton Scouting report:
ProFootballWeekly.com - Cam Newton scouting report (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/29/cam-newton-scouting-report)
Defensewins 04-05-2011, 05:15 PM Ah so the fake smile part has you bent?
Perhaps that wasn't needed, but other than that it's really pretty similar to the report that Clausen had.
How am I gonna drag Newton into this? Well we are talking about his scouting report aren't we? And his advisor, Moon, is the one that was all irked and tossing out the race card. So I think it has something to do with Newton and his ability to handle criticism.
The race card was weak.
Ultimately teams have to make their own opinion on players and not depend on someone who barely interviewed a player and his acquaintances.
There is no race issue here. While I had some minor issues with the "fake smile" part and "always knows where the cameras are". I have to say I had more problems with the "Not Dependable" part.
I am a firm believer of a persons "actions speaks louder than words' or words of others about you. I think there is one major difference between the Clausen criticism and the recent Newton criticism". It was common knowledge even before Clausen's senior year started that there were locker room and leadership issues and that some of his teammates did not like him. I remember watching a ND game during Clausen's senior year and the TV commentators talked about it on national tv.
This is the first I am hearing about Newton having lost his locker room. Newton being described as not dependable player and, "Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable." seems to fly against all of his accomplishments and what has been said about him during his time at Auburn. Accomplishments on the field that Clausen does not bring to the table.
This thing is really a whole lot about nothing issue. When reviewing a player or employee and you have to come up with "positives" and "negatives", sometimes you can go over board about one minor thing so you don't have to spend extra time and work coming up with another talking point.
Lol, that's weak.
If I say something to about you that offends Smootsmack does that mean that you are unable to handle criticism?
So you're saying you think Newton is no way was bothered by this, and Moon was acting all alone in tossing out the race card?
Possible but I doubt it.
53Fan 04-05-2011, 05:56 PM Throwing out the race card has become the most surefire way to distract attention from the original issue. It has become a tool and that is unfortunate.
Ultimately teams have to make their own opinion on players and not depend on someone who barely interviewed a player and his acquaintances.
Teams take info from all types of sources into account. Former coaches, teammates, friends, family, teachers, etc. You don't have to personally interview someone in order to get a pretty good feel for someone.
In fact I'd bet teams put more stock into what acquaintances say about a guy vs. a personal interview where it's easy for a kid to be coached up as to what to say and how to act.
Lotus 04-05-2011, 06:36 PM Teams take info from all types of sources into account. Former coaches, teammates, friends, family, teachers, etc. You don't have to personally interview someone in order to get a pretty good feel for someone.
In fact I'd bet teams put more stock into what acquaintances say about a guy vs. a personal interview where it's easy for a kid to be coached up as to what to say and how to act.
This must be true especially in terms of a Combine interview, rather than a team visit, as such interviews last only 15 minutes.
NC_Skins 04-05-2011, 06:46 PM If you don't agree fine but don't cry outrage when someone (Warren Moon) is offended.
How would you feel if someone told you how to feel?
Moon wasn't offended. He knew this isn't a racial issue, but wanted to use this as leverage for his client. He had no basis whatsoever to claim racism.
Fact is Moon has been discriminated against because of his race.
If he senses the same thing to is happening to Newton he has every right to express that..
Oh, so because he's been discriminated against at somepoint in his life, it gives him the right to basically call somebody a racist before he knows the facts?
Jesse Jackson played that race card back during the Duke Lacrosse rape trial, pandered to the public, and offered to pay for this poor girl's tuition only to find out later that it was all a huge lie. It's amazing what finding out the facts will do before you open your big mouth about a issue concerning racism. I'm sure Jesse has experienced discrimination, but did it give him the right to crucify those college boys all because it was a racial issue in his mind? That shit doesn't fly with me, and pretty much why I'll never take Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton serious at all. (and now Moon)
Lets not confuse the issue here Norwicki's profile was personal and unprofessional and Warren Moon felt it was racial driven.
How do you know it's personal? You are claiming to know his intentions on the write up. Do you? Have you read all his reports on all his analysis on players? It seems like this isn't anything of the norm for him. If you listen to that podcast I posted a page or so back (Todd McShay), he even said he's heard similar things AND that he believed that he pretty much put the words on paper that were quoted to him. McShay said his only surprise about the review was that he used the actual words from those people, and that most of them try to be polite about it or paraphrase it another way.
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