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Lotus 01-18-2011, 11:50 AM I'd rather trade down and take Locker than reach on any of these other guys. In fact, the best case would be if he were to fall to the second round and be able to snatch him there while still trading down in the first.
Personally I think that if we trade down we should take Christian Ponder, not Locker. Ponder has excellent intelligence, accuracy, mobility, and intangibles. While his arm is not the strongest, he makes up for it by being a creative leader.
SmootSmack 01-18-2011, 12:03 PM Personally I think that if we trade down we should take Christian Ponder, not Locker. Ponder has excellent intelligence, accuracy, mobility, and intangibles. While his arm is not the strongest, he makes up for it by being a creative leader.
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LOVE trading down.........
SkinzWin 01-18-2011, 12:24 PM LOVE trading down.........
I agree. I think that if you take one of these QB's at 10 you are not getting the value you should be getting at that pick, you are simply reaching for a need no matter the talent level. I have been adamant in my dislike for Locker. I think he has the potential to be a big bust. I think Cam Newton is an even higher risk.
If we were a smart drafting team, which we obviously haven't been in the past but hopefully are moving in the right direction, we will try our best to trade down. I think with as many holes in this team as we have we need as many picks as possible. If a trade down is not possible, you take a defensive talent like Von Miller, as I also have been saying, to compliment Orakpo, and draft a QB like Ponder or Dalton in a later round.
Not that I am an expert but I think Ponder and Dalton could very well be best tooled for what Shanny is looking for. I could live with Locker in the later rounds, however I wouldn't be pleased. I would be very upset if we took Cam Newton. He has extremely limited experience at a high level. Yes he is a flashy play maker, but I don't think that wins championships. We don't have time for another big project. I know some people say, yeah well he was in JUCO playing, but there is a reason JUCO kids play there and not for a D-I school.
Chico23231 01-18-2011, 01:29 PM Scout take on Cam: “the structure of that offense made him look more accurate than he is. It’s all play-action based, throwing to wide open receivers, with bubble screens that pad his numbers." classic spread-bust pick + character issues? Pass
Lotus 01-18-2011, 01:55 PM I heart you
Aw, shucks.
I've read about and watched game videos of a bunch of draftable QB's. Ponder is the one who seems to me most likely to be a solid starter. Not only that, I think he will be ready to play as early as any other QB in this class. What he doesn't have can be remedied in the film or weight rooms, whereas other QB's in this class seem to have drawbacks which are more difficult to fix.
I say use the #10 pick on a defensive beast (like Von Miller or Cameron Jordan) or trade down to still grab a defensive beast later in the first round. Then draft Ponder in a later round.
skinsfaninok 01-18-2011, 02:04 PM Aw, shucks.
I've read about and watched game videos of a bunch of draftable QB's. Ponder is the one who seems to me most likely to be a solid starter. Not only that, I think he will be ready to play as early as any other QB in this class. What he doesn't have can be remedied in the film or weight rooms, whereas other QB's in this class seem to have drawbacks which are more difficult to fix.
I say use the #10 pick on a defensive beast (like Von Miller or Cameron Jordan) or trade down to still grab a defensive beast later in the first round. Then draft Ponder in a later round.
Well like I've mentioned before, I watched him live in person and he looked RIDICULOUSLY BAD here in Norman.. Made bad decisions under pressure and very avg arm strength, yea you need smarts but sometimes that just isn't enough in the Pros.
Lotus 01-18-2011, 02:44 PM Well like I've mentioned before, I watched him live in person and he looked RIDICULOUSLY BAD here in Norman.. Made bad decisions under pressure and very avg arm strength, yea you need smarts but sometimes that just isn't enough in the Pros.
I agree, he did look bad that game. Probably the worst of his college career. But that is just one game. Even Manning and Brady look bad sometimes.
My argument is not that he will be a Pro Bowler or is a can't-miss. Rather, IMO he is the best prospect for our offense in a lackluster QB class.
SmootSmack 01-18-2011, 02:57 PM Ponder battled a painful elbow injury for much of the year. He doesn't have a cannon, but his arm strength is underrated
NC_Skins 01-18-2011, 04:33 PM Scout take on Cam: “the structure of that offense made him look more accurate than he is. It’s all play-action based, throwing to wide open receivers, with bubble screens that pad his numbers." classic spread-bust pick + character issues? Pass
I think this about covers it.
Words that make you cringe when talking about drafting QBs in the first round.
"potential"
"high ceiling"
"upside"
.lol.....stay away from that shit, stick with guys that are polished and have done it several years at college.
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