NC_Skins
03-08-2011, 02:09 PM
And with all that, he's still going in the top of the first round. Could go #1 overall.
Even more so now that their will be a rookie salary cap. It means a team isn't going to have to pay the huge costs if he's a bust. However, drafting the wrong QB will set your franchise back 3-5 years regardless of how much money you give him. Had Vinny been here, we would have drafted Jimmy Clausen at the #4 spot this past year. Like Shanny said in the book, it's amazing how stupid people are when it comes to making picks.
I don't see the Panthers taking him. JR doesn't like to take players that have had troubled pasts so I definitely think they'll go defense. My guess is they want people to think that so they can trade out of the pick and get more bang for the buck.
skinsfaninok
03-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Scout on Newton: “You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t” | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/scout-on-newton-youre-damned-if-you-damned-if-you-dont/)
Even more so now that their will be a rookie salary cap. It means a team isn't going to have to pay the huge costs if he's a bust. However, drafting the wrong QB will set your franchise back 3-5 years regardless of how much money you give him. Had Vinny been here, we would have drafted Jimmy Clausen at the #4 spot this past year. Like Shanny said in the book, it's amazing how stupid people are when it comes to making picks.
I don't see the Panthers taking him. JR doesn't like to take players that have had troubled pasts so I definitely think they'll go defense. My guess is they want people to think that so they can trade out of the pick and get more bang for the buck.
I'm not sure which way the Panthers will go. Love him or hate him Newton is the kind of guy that creates a buzz, and a place like Carolina could use a guy like him to put buts in seats and get the fan base energized again.
30gut
03-08-2011, 05:12 PM
I put Cam Newton on the same lines as Tim Tebow.Then you would be wrong.
Right off the bat Cam Newton throws the ball much better then Tebow probably ever will.
Stronger arm, better release, more consisent mechanics etc.
I think I'll let Mayock himself clear up the next portion of your post:
If you want a true professional's opinion, then try Mayock's.
I said that I’ve got four [Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallett] guys with first round ability.
2011 NFL Scouting Combine: Mike Mayock conference call (February 17); Part 1 | Blog And Tackle (http://www.blogandtackle.net/2011/02/18/2011-nfl-scouting-combine-mike-mayock-conference-call-february-17-part-1/)
Based off of talent at the QB spot alone, he's not a 1st round grade.
Talent is exactly why Cam has 1st round ability.
Cam Newton looking purely at a talent perspective like you suggest is easily a top pick.
If you can honestly look at Newton and not see or understand his raw talent you might not understand what you're looking at.
After all the bluster of your post my point remains:
I think if people are honest with themselves its kinda obvious that Cam Newton is a first round talent.
But, at the same time being talented does not guarantee success for Newton or for anybody else.
skinsfaninok
03-08-2011, 05:35 PM
Mcshay and Kiper have us taking Cam
SmootSmack
03-08-2011, 08:01 PM
Mcshay and Kiper have us taking Cam
Did Kiper change his pick? Last I saw he had us taking Gabbert
wilsowilso
03-08-2011, 08:15 PM
What happened at his pro day today?
I'm sure he must have looked better than the combine workout.
skinsfaninok
03-08-2011, 08:38 PM
Did Kiper change his pick? Last I saw he had us taking Gabbert
Maybe it was just McShay but I could have swore the scroll also said Kiper.
skinsfaninok
03-08-2011, 08:39 PM
What happened at his pro day today?
I'm sure he must have looked better than the combine workout.
50-60 passing is the last I heard, also he continued to impress with his athleticism, no shocker there
NC_Skins
03-08-2011, 08:58 PM
I think I'll let Mayock himself clear up the next portion of your post:
Talent is exactly why Cam has 1st round ability.
Cam Newton looking purely at a talent perspective like you suggest is easily a top pick.
If you can honestly look at Newton and not see or understand his raw talent you might not understand what you're looking at.
After all the bluster of your post my point remains:
Your point doesn't remain. If that's the case, Olympic athletes have 1st round talent to be a WR/OL/DL. Why aren't they drafted? Maybe because of ..I dunno...OTHER FACTORS?? Mayock even said that he himself would NOT take him in the first round (the same with JaMarcus R.) based off the other factors. He's a first round talent in terms of of being a incredible athlete and potential, but he's not a 1st round talent in terms of a polished QB. Does that mean nobody is going to take him? Sure there will be, just like the Raiders took JaMarcus Russell with the first pick. Idiots will always be lured by that "shiny diamond" that always ends up being a polished turd.
There is nothing he's done so far that can translate well to the NFL. Shotgun formations? One read and go offense? Running more than he passes? One year in college football? If you are trying to convince me of his "upside" and "potential" to be a great QB, then you are wasting your time. I know he has all the "potential" and "upside" there is in a QB. I've also gone on record saying that the first round isn't the place you take "projects" either, and that the person being drafted in the 1st round are generally projected day 1 starters. Do you see Cam Newton as a day 1 starter? I sure as hell don't. More like a project who'll need 1-3 years at best.
Also, Bruce Campbell was a slated 1st round "talent" to be a dominate LT in the NFL, yet he didn't go till the 4th round. Why is that? It's because teams don't want to waste a 1st round pick on a project who isn't going to help the team immediately.