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SBprimetime 01-03-2011, 03:22 PM I know a lot of people have been hating on our receivers this year, but let me drop some knowledge on you guys about our passing game:
Santana Moss was 4th in the NFL in catches. He had more catches, and about the same/more yards than: Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Marshall, and somebody who's very comparable to Moss, Wes Welker. If we can get Santana back at a reasonable price, we almost have to pull the trigger. He's great out of the slot.
Anthony Armstrong was 26th in the NFL in yards, and he had a 19.8 yards per catch, which is incredible. By my quick glance at the stats, that's more than all but two #2 WR's in the NFL (Jabar Gaffney-4 more yards, and Mario Manningham- which if not for us, probably wouldn't have had more yards).
As a team, we were also tied for 3rd in the NFL for most 40+ yd completions. Cooley also had another pretty good year.
There's no doubt we need to upgrade some of our depth, and infuse some youth/potential into our WR corps, but by no means is it as horrible as everyone has been saying. With another year in the offense, a draft pick or signing, and hopefully better play from the quarterback position, we should be pretty OK at that position.
P.S. It was mind-blowing that we ever had Joey Galloway and/or Roydell Williams even on our roster. That's probably where the general feeling of suckiness from our WR's comes from. We definitely need to upgrade our depth.
Ruhskins 01-03-2011, 03:26 PM If you bring a deep threat to complement Moss, I think he can have the same success that Welker had when R. Moss went to NE.
Paintrain 01-03-2011, 03:30 PM Those are pretty hollow stats unfortunately as between the three of them, they had 12 TD which is a good year from a #1 WR, not from a trio.
Moss would make a killer slot WR, Armstrong can be a #3 on a good team but is our #2 and Cooley is solid as a TE. If we have a true #1 and a QB that can make it work one thing is shown by these numbers, the system works! We don't need to completely overhaul the WR corp but people need to be in their proper roles. Austin and Banks can provide some depth but they are both #4 WR max on a good team. Expect this unit to be addressed in free agency and maybe in the middle of the draft.
Paintrain 01-03-2011, 03:31 PM If you bring a deep threat to complement Moss, I think he can have the same success that Welker had when R. Moss went to NE.
Armstrong was our deep threat. He averaged almost 20 yards per reception. Fred Davis had a higher per catch average than Moss. Moss was our possession receiver this year.
rbanerjee23 01-03-2011, 03:33 PM Pretty good stats but as Paintrain says, we need to look at scoring production. A stat like most 20+ yd/ most 40+ yd completions aren't that great of a metric.
Blame falls all around from the lack of a decent OL, inconsistencies at QB/RB so WR corps did an okay job all around.
Definitely think we should keep Moss, Armstrong, Austin, and Banks though so hopefully they become a solid WR corps for the future.
SirClintonPortis 01-03-2011, 03:35 PM Stats are a imperfect log of what happens physically on the field. They don't tell you anything about the players' playmaking ability, how defenses respect them, etc. Moss is a prime example. His role was expanded this year so that he plays both the slot and his regular deep role. Andre Johnson played hurt all year, Fitz and Marshall suffered from horrible QB play, and Welker is on a New England team that spreads the ball around to everyone.
And Cooley is a tight end. We still have no #3 WR.
freddyg12 01-03-2011, 03:35 PM Those are pretty hollow stats unfortunately as between the three of them, they had 12 TD which is a good year from a #1 WR, not from a trio.
Moss would make a killer slot WR, Armstrong can be a #3 on a good team but is our #2 and Cooley is solid as a TE. If we have a true #1 and a QB that can make it work one thing is shown by these numbers, the system works! We don't need to completely overhaul the WR corp but people need to be in their proper roles. Austin and Banks can provide some depth but they are both #4 WR max on a good team. Expect this unit to be addressed in free agency and maybe in the middle of the draft.
While I agree w/your overall thinking, wr is almost as likely to be a 1st or 2nd round pick as any. I could see them taking a wr if the guy they like falls back. I think there are such an array of deficiencies that there are several positions that could be addressed in the top rounds.
Ruhskins 01-03-2011, 03:39 PM Armstrong was our deep threat. He averaged almost 20 yards per reception. Fred Davis had a higher per catch average than Moss. Moss was our possession receiver this year.
I was thinking a R. Moss type of deep threat. Right now, I think teams focus on shutting down Santana.
Paintrain 01-03-2011, 03:40 PM While I agree w/your overall thinking, wr is almost as likely to be a 1st or 2nd round pick as any. I could see them taking a wr if the guy they like falls back. I think there are such an array of deficiencies that there are several positions that could be addressed in the top rounds.
Depending on what we do at some key spots in FA (assuming it's before the draft) I would love to see us picking AJ Green out of Georgia at #10. I don't think we will but he's got Megatron-lite written all over him.
SirClintonPortis 01-03-2011, 03:42 PM I was thinking a R. Moss type of deep threat. Right now, I think teams focus on shutting down Santana.
Randy Moss could be characterized as freakish #1 talent who's more than just a deep threat. But I think what you're trying to say is that we grab a WR who can catch those "lob it up" passes, draw a double team almost all the time, and be physical.
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