Our Current status at the WR position

^ Personally I have felt it's easier to get defensive players late in the draft but I keep hearing other say it's easier to get OL. I mention we need to atleast pick up a Center to replace Rabach and I'd like to see a RT who has the talent and knows what they are doing vs. seeing Heyer or hoping Brown doesn't get injured next yr. But again I'm being told you don't draft Centers and RT's so high in the draft.

One of my other concerns as a priority would be NT. Bryant did an admiral job and seemed to move well on his feet but radio announcers are saying he's a good back up. So perhaps a NT at #10.

I think it's obvious we need OL, NT, LB, FS, >not in any specific order although I'd still take OL or NT before the rest, and then you can pick you poison.... QB, WR, CB. There are also multiple people throwing out speculation that we will not retain about 5-6 people on defense so this year might be the yr we spend more there since we spent more on offense last yr. With the possibility of Carter, Rocky, Rogers, and a NT and FS needed you can see that might be where we start.

I think it still all depends on what we do in FA. The only problem there is if there is no CBA agreement then the draft would come first and the team would have to draft with the thought that we don't pick up anyone in FA, but if we do later then good for us. I like this thought process but most teams like to shop prior to the draft to see if they can fill any spots first.

We have two natural centers playing guard. What we actually need are guards.

We have to see if there's DT project that high first.
It's admirable, not admiral.

I think Malcolm Kelly can replace Santana Moss and would like to see Kelly come out of the slot like Marques Colston does with the Saints.

Moss can still be somewhat productive if he's resigned, but people are going WAY out of their way to make Moss seem more productive than he was this year. He had a number of very good games but was the lifeblood target of a passing offense that had no life. We sure could have done worse but we NEEDED to do better in his role. That's the mentality we need to take in to offseason.

There are a number of worse options than Moss out there, but this passing game needs to get better. I'd let him walk.

Our WR corps had good production this year.
Compared to other positions they as a unit have played above replacement level.
Not re-signing Moss just creates a hole at a place where there doesn't need to be one.

We have true needs at: QB, Center, 3-4 DE, depending on what happens w/ Jamaal Brown RT, NT, OG, LOLB

Realistically we're not going to be able to add more then 2-3 impact players to address the above needs.

Why add WR to the need list by not re-signing Moss?

Current Status: We need another WR.

Moss needs a new deal.
Santana still has a couple decent years as a roleplayer, he still can play at a high level.
He had a decent year actually. McNabb underfire all year still being semi consistent and then stepping up as Grossman came in as well.

Theres gotta be someone in FA thats a bargain who can make some plays .

We need at least 2 big FA pickups and a huge draft this year.

I think Malcolm Kelly can replace Santana Moss and would like to see Kelly come out of the slot like Marques Colston does with the Saints.

Moss can still be somewhat productive if he's resigned, but people are going WAY out of their way to make Moss seem more productive than he was this year. He had a number of very good games but was the lifeblood target of a passing offense that had no life. We sure could have done worse but we NEEDED to do better in his role. That's the mentality we need to take in to offseason.

There are a number of worse options than Moss out there, but this passing game needs to get better. I'd let him walk.

LOL... Good one.

Our WR corps had good production this year.
Compared to other positions they as a unit have played above replacement level.
Not re-signing Moss just creates a hole at a place where there doesn't need to be one.

We have true needs at: QB, Center, 3-4 DE, depending on what happens w/ Jamaal Brown RT, NT, OG, LOLB

Realistically we're not going to be able to add more then 2-3 impact players to address the above needs.

Why add WR to the need list by not re-signing Moss?Let me put it this way: Moss is not a weakness for where we are as a team. He's a weakness for wherever we want to go with our passing game.

We clearly changed his role this year to a receiver that leads the league in targets in the passing offense. That essentially means we can only be as successful as the player in that role is at his craft. And Moss was...a little bit better than say, our defense, this year.

Trying someone else in the same role might lead to more struggles and a greater weakness at the receiver position, but could easily lead to a far more efficient offense.

Let me put it this way: Moss is not a weakness for where we are as a team. He's a weakness for wherever we want to go with our passing game.

We clearly changed his role this year to a receiver that leads the league in targets in the passing offense. That essentially means we can only be as successful as the player in that role is at his craft. And Moss was...a little bit better than say, our defense, this year.

Trying someone else in the same role might lead to more struggles and a greater weakness at the receiver position, but could easily lead to a far more efficient offense.

Yeah but that is absolutely not the fault of Moss. Moss had a great season, but you know what you got in Moss, a solid number 2 or slot reciever. Kyle and Shanny tryed multiple recievers with multiple sets. Santana easily picked up the offense and excelled in his role. Could other guys on the team stepped into and preformed his role, obviously not. Kelly on the bench and shown zero since he has been here. Santana helps this team much more than hurts. Do we need a number 1? Absolutely all day. But to say we need to replace Santana with someone else as well? I think first year in this offense and how he picked it up, plus he has put up solid number in really multiple bad offenses. He NEVER has drama and has been for the most part injury free. Yes to this offense needs a number 1 who is a red zone reciever and general playmaker...I wouldnt put that on Moss, I think he has earned an extention. If extending Moss for some reason denotes our offense as going in a bad direction, that sh*t is on Kyle then, not Moss.

A WR that finished 3rd overall in catches and 10th in yardage, was only slightly better than our 31st ranked D? I know it's hard to compare one guy to an entire unit, but I'm still struggling to make sense of that logic.

Walterfootball (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php) has AJ Green going #1 overall now.

A WR that finished 3rd overall in catches and 10th in yardage, was only slightly better than our 31st ranked D? I know it's hard to compare one guy to an entire unit, but I'm still struggling to make sense of that logic.You said it yourself: 3rd in catches, 10th in yardage.

Better than say, 3rd in catches, 20th in yardage.

Worse than 3rd in catches, 6th in yardage.

I don't want to just throw out a yards per target figure, because it's apples and oranges. Moss used to be let loose deep more frequently, and used to average around 9 ish yards per target. This year, he was around seven and a half. That's predominantly a change in role.

It's also not very good. Percy Harvin got 8 YPT this year in pretty much the same role. Lance Moore got about 8.1 YPT. Mike Thomas was in the same range. Ditto Anquan Boldin. I'm stretching the definition of a similar receiver, but Moss did a new role and did not do it all that well. And we didn't move the ball as an offense and score consistently.

So we took away some of Santana Moss' deep running because this role is more important for the offense. He's doing the role...well, I think we can agree he didn't do great. I also realize you can't replace him with Terrence Austin and get the same production, but I'm not suggesting that we just go and do that.