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Dirtbag59 01-03-2011, 04:31 PM Shanahan has been said to be a big fan of Locker, no?
That's what I've heard but I'm not exactly SS. Still I don't remember where exactly but last year he was supposedly pretty infatuated with not only Bradford but Locker as well. In fact he's still pretty high on Bradford as he alluded to finding a guy like Bradford in the upcoming draft shortly after benching McNabb for good.
freddyg12 01-03-2011, 04:43 PM Jay Cutler didn't really look that impressive stats wise coming out of college yet he was able to make Shanahans system work at the pro level.
Jay Cutler Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jay-cutler-1.html)
The main thing about Locker is that he has even more physical, raw talent then Cutler had coming out. The way he runs a bootleg is a thing of beauty and combined with the arm and leadership qualities, well safe to say you have a QB that would be perfect for Shanahaans system.
I understand that people are scared of Locker because he has all these blemishes but ironically you want to be able to see those when you draft a guy. Don't give me the guy that played with a bunch of High School All-Americans at USC. Instead give me the guy who struggled through adversity. Give me the guy that had no help what so ever, that had to carry an entire team on his shoulders.
Bring him here, let him sit on the bench for a year and develop, because as we all know, with QB's the returns take time and with any franchise you have to build around him while you're waiting for him to develop. You can't hope to build this perfect little team and then acquire your QB because then while your best players are in their prime you're dealing with the growing pains of developing a young QB and in turn you're mistiming your window.
Nice summary Dirt. I am torn on Locker but I enjoyed the little bit I watched of him. He had a tough night v. Nebraska last week but took the game on his shoulders, tucked the ball in & ran like a tailback to get yards. He does exhibit great leadership & 'it' factor, but the pocket decision making is a big question.
I would be happy if Locker was drafted, if only because I'd see a young prospect on the team. But on the other hand, I liked Heath Shuler a lot, so Locker scares me too.
Kindoy 01-03-2011, 04:58 PM if we can't trade out of the 10th pick i'd take the best availible in the first, Kellen Moore as a project in the 5th or so, and OL & DL in every other pick.
we can go free agency for WR. resign rogers and we're good at corner. there are some okay safeties out there in FA but id say thats the least of our worries. Torain at RB. FA for LB's.
the FA pool for interior lineman is deep as well... we'll end up signing someone, hope fully that isn't our plan A though and we draft some young talent.
at QB i'd let grossman start the season and draft a project.
freddyg12 01-03-2011, 05:06 PM if we can't trade out of the 10th pick i'd take the best availible in the first, Kellen Moore as a project in the 5th or so, and OL & DL in every other pick.
we can go free agency for WR. resign rogers and we're good at corner. there are some okay safeties out there in FA but id say thats the least of our worries. Torain at RB. FA for LB's.
the FA pool for interior lineman is deep as well... we'll end up signing someone, hope fully that isn't our plan A though and we draft some young talent.
at QB i'd let grossman start the season and draft a project.
I really thought Barnes played well, especially considering limited practice time at Safety. I wonder if they'll look to keep him there & maybe draft or pickup a cb or two for depth. I hope Los is back.
freddyg12 01-03-2011, 05:09 PM Jay Cutler didn't really look that impressive stats wise coming out of college yet he was able to make Shanahans system work at the pro level.
Jay Cutler Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jay-cutler-1.html)
The main thing about Locker is that he has even more physical, raw talent then Cutler had coming out. The way he runs a bootleg is a thing of beauty and combined with the arm and leadership qualities, well safe to say you have a QB that would be perfect for Shanahaans system.
I understand that people are scared of Locker because he has all these blemishes but ironically you want to be able to see those when you draft a guy. Don't give me the guy that played with a bunch of High School All-Americans at USC. Instead give me the guy who struggled through adversity. Give me the guy that had no help what so ever, that had to carry an entire team on his shoulders.
Bring him here, let him sit on the bench for a year and develop, because as we all know, with QB's the returns take time and with any franchise you have to build around him while you're waiting for him to develop. You can't hope to build this perfect little team and then acquire your QB because then while your best players are in their prime you're dealing with the growing pains of developing a young QB and in turn you're mistiming your window.
From limited observation of Locker, he seems MUCH more of a stand up guy than Cutler too. Cutler has never really seemed like a natural leader to me. In interviews he seems shy and/or shady. I know some people hate that part of the job, but fact is you have to face the public
SmootSmack 01-03-2011, 05:27 PM Shanahan has been said to be a big fan of Locker, no?
Yes...which leads me to believe it's not entirely true. I don't think they like him enough for #10
I think they will look to take a QB in the 2nd, possibly late 1st (if they trade into there)...to compete with Alex Smith :)
WaldSkins 01-03-2011, 05:55 PM We trade for Matt Flynn!!!!!!!! with our second round pick we select Pouncey or Casey Matthews
juskins 01-03-2011, 07:16 PM Yeah MS has a great guage on talent -- that's why he gave up high draft picks for DMac and Jammal Brown with the first guy being eventually benched and the second one being little more than an average RT.
The whole team got decimated by injuries and that's why we weren't able to field a very good team. But if you are seriously saying that at 6-10 we're a good team then we don't have much else to discuss. Results matter, if this exact same team went 10-6 then we could discuss how good of a team we have.
You are blaming Mike for Bruce's decision to part ways with our draft picks. Shanahan just put his foot down and said enough is enough with McNabb. As for Brown, it takes a while for a hip injury that was surgically repaired to heal. Look for Brown to be much improved next season.
Speaking of surgically repaired injuries, Kimmo should be better next season also, but I still think we need a beast at NT. If Haynesworth departs then the pressure is on to come up with his replacement, maybe Marcell Dareus out Alabama who plays inside and outside in a 34 defense.
What you are over looking is how Shanahan has played guys that show promise and when he puts them with better players will only make them look better. I am not looking through rose colored glasses, not at all. This team is going through a change for the better. Becoming hard nosed on defense and with Rex, or someone as quick as he is with his reads, will only make this team more exciting and ready to challenge the east.
We are not too far away.
juskins 01-03-2011, 07:24 PM Mike Shanahan has a great track record at finding offensive talent. His track record with defensive talent, on the other hand, is not so great. It could be arguably poor. A look at his draft history shows this.
That will change, if it was an issue in the past, because they are operating out of a base 34 defense and Shanahan will have to defer to Haslett to make the right picks.
SirClintonPortis 01-03-2011, 08:55 PM You are blaming Mike for Bruce's decision to part ways with our draft picks. Shanahan just put his foot down and said enough is enough with McNabb. As for Brown, it takes a while for a hip injury that was surgically repaired to heal. Look for Brown to be much improved next season.
Speaking of surgically repaired injuries, Kimmo should be better next season also, but I still think we need a beast at NT. If Haynesworth departs then the pressure is on to come up with his replacement, maybe Marcell Dareus out Alabama who plays inside and outside in a 34 defense.
What you are over looking is how Shanahan has played guys that show promise and when he puts them with better players will only make them look better. I am not looking through rose colored glasses, not at all. This team is going through a change for the better. Becoming hard nosed on defense and with Rex, or someone as quick as he is with his reads, will only make this team more exciting and ready to challenge the east.
We are not too far away.
I believe Bruce Allen's role is a figurehead GM. You can believe otherwise, but aside from the failed or apparently failed Tampa retreads(Bidwell and Galloway), this team seems to be Shanahan-built, including the trade for McNabb.
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