D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

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skinsguy
01-31-2011, 04:00 PM
I'm very consistent. I suggest you reread what I said or ask for clarification.

Yeah, you're very consistent at being inconsistent.



First off, you complain that I'm saying something "negative" about our Pro-Bowl player. It's like you question our fan hood because we dont' chose to wear rose colored glasses like many homers. You guys were chirping about people and their views about D. Hall being overrated. If you don't want to be criticized, my suggestion to you is not to criticize the others. After all, they (including myself) have a valid point. You guys have your right to your opinion, and we have ours.

See, there you go with the homer, rose-colored card that people who want to sit and moan always seem to want to pull out of the back their pants in order to look more "realistic". Here's something that's realistic. DeAngelo Hall is a Pro Bowl player. Deal with it.


Not even remotely in the same ball park, but thanks for coming out. That was a pathetic attempt at making a comparison.

Oh, here we go! :blah:Talk about someone who can't read context clues. Hey buddy, you're going out of your way to make yourself look very "Offiss" like. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask someone who's been here since about '04.

Monkeydad
01-31-2011, 04:01 PM
DeAngelo Hall Named Pro Bowl MVP For Very DeAngelo Hall-ish Performance (http://blog.redskins.com/2011/01/31/deangelo-hall-named-pro-bowl-mvp-for-very-deangelo-hall-ish-perf/)


Vid of TD there.

44ever
01-31-2011, 04:02 PM
I can tell you have very little knowledge of the game of football. I liked this article about the best CBs in the league when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Oakland's CB tandem No. 1? Insiders rank five better - NFL - CBSSports.com Football (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10870259)



Notice what he said about talented player who thinks he's better than he is. Back up by a defensive coordinator who pretty much says the same thing.




Comments above from a AFC def coordinator back when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Not satisfied with people's opinion? Let's go to the stats. Below are stats from the 2008 season.

Updated CB power rankings - The Official San Diego Chargers Forum (http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=60643)

This guy presents hard proof that D. Hall has and was been one of the worst rated CBs in the game.







Guess what? I think he also led CBs this year in catches/yards allowed for a CB. So besides that precious Int number you are holding onto, you have any stats to back up your claim he's one of the best CBs in the game? Truthfully, nothing much has changed since those years either. He still gets a shareof INTs, but still gives up a ton of plays/TDs/Yards. Like I said, play maker that's unreliable and inconsistent.

QBs are consistently throwing his direction for a reason.

You do know that it is the year 2011 and D. Hall plays on the Washington Redskins right?

Tell you what, since you exposed my lack of football knowledge with your bias articles from 2006-2008. I will just keep ignorantly watching as DeAngelo Hall makes game changing plays next season as a Redskin in 2011 and ends up back in another Pro Bowl. As for your boy Rogers, who you say is a better CB than Hall, not so sure.

But your the expert.

NC_Skins
01-31-2011, 04:08 PM
See, there you go with the homer, rose-colored card that people who want to sit and moan always seem to want to pull out of the back their pants in order to look more "realistic". Here's something that's realistic. DeAngelo Hall is a Pro Bowl player. Deal with it.

You confuse me with somebody who cares? I'm happy for D. Hall, and all the guys that made the pro-bowl. If you want to bitch and complain about us making comments in regards to our players, then expect homer comments. You can cheer on who you like and be happy for them. That doesn't give you the right to question my opinion of such player. That doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan than you are. You chose to see things how you want to, and I chose to see the common view that most people see outside of Redskins nation.




Oh, here we go! :blah:Talk about someone who can't read context clues. Hey buddy, you're going out of your way to make yourself look very "Offiss" like. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask someone who's been here since about '04.

Not the "I've been here since 2004" card. Your comparison wasn't remotely in the same ball park, but I guess it is if it suits your argument. A CB that gambles and gets burned/rewarded on a 50/50 basis, isn't the same as a runner that uses the best option each play but can only do so much. D. Hall isn't dependent on 5-7 guys to cover his guy. Barry Sanders relied on 5-7 guys each down to make those runs. It's not the same, and any person with a half a brain knows it.

Chico23231
01-31-2011, 04:09 PM
Wow I had no clue that there was this much hate for our only playmaker on the team.

Finger point to a probowler who happened to make the organization at least proud one day in a otherwise miserable season.

U need to be running stats on our DL, LBs, OL, RBs, and QB play and then compare with the rest of the league to show our where the real issues of our team lie.

SouperMeister
01-31-2011, 04:15 PM
You do know that it is the year 2011 and D. Hall plays on the Washington Redskins right?

Tell you what, since you exposed my lack of football knowledge with your bias articles from 2006-2008. I will just keep ignorantly watching as DeAngelo Hall makes game changing plays next season as a Redskin in 2011 and ends up back in another Pro Bowl. As for your boy Rogers, who you say is a better CB than Hall, not so sure.

But your the expert.Rogers certainly is a better cover corner in terms of consistency, but he DOES NOT MAKE PLAYS due to his stone hands. D. Hall may get beat more, but he also makes game changing plays. He made the key plays that won the Dallas and Chicago games. For the life of me, I don't recall a single play that Rogers has ever made that tipped a game in the balance our way.

44ever
01-31-2011, 04:23 PM
]Rogers certainly is a better cover corner in terms of consistency[/B], but he DOES NOT MAKE PLAYS due to his stone hands. D. Hall may get beat more, but he also makes game changing plays. He made the key plays that won the Dallas and Chicago games. For the life of me, I don't recall a single play that Rogers has ever made that tipped a game in the balance our way.

Yep, I agree Rogers is a better cover guy but IMO thats only because he is not as aggressive as Hall. Hall certainly has the speed, height and ball awareness to shut down WR's But, because of his style and aggressive play he tends to get burnt more often than a pure cover guy.

The other thing I take into account when accessing Hall is the projected player he is becoming. I like what I see from him and only see more and more success as he continues to mature.

NC_Skins
01-31-2011, 04:27 PM
You do know that it is the year 2011 and D. Hall plays on the Washington Redskins right?

Tell you what, since you exposed my lack of football knowledge with your bias articles from 2006-2008. I will just keep ignorantly watching as DeAngelo Hall makes game changing plays next season as a Redskin in 2011 and ends up back in another Pro Bowl. As for your boy Rogers, who you say is a better CB than Hall, not so sure.

But your the expert.

You are right, it is 2011. So let's review some 2011 games.

ESPN 980 - Home of the Redskins (http://www.espn980.com/blogs/chris.php)

**One week after Redskins Pro Bowl CB DeAngelo Hall said he wanted to be on the # 1 pass-catching option for the opposing team, regardless of field sides -- Hall and others, got lit up by young Sam Bradford who threw short, quick release timing passes. Several plays stick out in my mind, such as smoke screen in which Hall slipped in coverage on, and a big pass down to the Redskins-1 yard line that set up a score.

**DeAngelo Hall continued his torrid interception pace by stepping in front of Calvin Johnson in the back corner of the end zone for his 5th pick in just over one game. Hall however was responsible for two of Calvin Johnson's three scores on the day. Hall was beaten on a stop route, and then was unable to tackle Johnson along with two other Redskin defenders before the end-zone for one score, and was also beaten on a slant score by Johnson after giving way too much cushion.


Everyone remembers Peyton Manning playing under the Sunday Night Lights and carving up DeAngelo Hall and LaRon Landry on the first play from scrimmage (a 57 yard TD to Pierre Garcon)


**DeAngelo Hall, has made a living out of getting burnt and creating plays at pretty much a 50/50 clip. Hall got burnt badly on a 92-yard TD and run by Mario Manningham. The Redskins blitzed on the 2nd-and-7 play, sending six rushers but getting no real pressure on Eli Manning. Hall mis-judged the ball and was torched by Manningham for a killer score to make it 17-7 Giants, a play that ultimately was the difference.

Yup, keep ignoring those facts. But it's ok, he led a lot of INTs!!!! (4 in one and 2 over the course of 15 games??...yup, consistent...lol)


I want you to get this straight and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that Rogers was better than Hall. Let's review what I said.

I'm not a D. Hall hater, I just see D. Hall for what he is. A play maker who's also unreliable and inconsistent. Truth be told, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall.

Now if you equate that to me saying Rogers is better than D. Hall, then by all means continue to be delusional. Pretty much the same thing this guy said.

Rogers certainly is a better cover corner in terms of consistency, but he DOES NOT MAKE PLAYS due to his stone hands. D. Hall may get beat more, but he also makes game changing plays. He made the key plays that won the Dallas and Chicago games. For the life of me, I don't recall a single play that Rogers has ever made that tipped a game in the balance our way.

NC_Skins
01-31-2011, 04:34 PM
Wow I had no clue that there was this much hate for our only playmaker on the team.

Finger point to a probowler who happened to make the organization at least proud one day in a otherwise miserable season.

U need to be running stats on our DL, LBs, OL, RBs, and QB play and then compare with the rest of the league to show our where the real issues of our team lie.

I've never stated that CB was a priority concern on this team, just pointing out DHall is overrated. That said, I believe our biggest concerns are this:


1) QB
2) OL (interior to be exact..rabach is garbage)
3) DL (NT/DE) crucial to 3-4
4) LBs need to fit the 3-4 scheme
5) WR (move moss to slot)
6) FS


QB will always be in the #1 slot till it's fixed. This will never change and why it's the most important position on the field. (and highest paid)

Ruhskins
01-31-2011, 05:02 PM
I don't get why people go so much out of their way to bash a player in their favorite team. Especially since the reason D.Hall went to the Pro Bowl, is because someone backed out. Even still, shouldn't fans of a team be happy that their team is somewhat represented in the Pro Bowl? If I didn't know better, by the way some of these comments are sounding, you'd think that Hall was playing for the Cowboys.

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