D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

Well, I guess that was directed at me. Likewise, I think it is just as equally unrealistic and clueless to down those who happen to applaud the players on our team who receive positive accolades. I mean, nobody here is saying D. Hall is the greatest CB to ever play the game, I don't think that at all, but I'm proud he was voted into the Pro Bowl and that he was the MVP. I mean, I here a lot of negativity from these fan sites every day, and a lot of it is just plain out belly-aching. You have people who say that D. Hall didn't deserve to play in the Pro Bowl, then when he plays well and receives honors at the game, then the same people say that the Pro Bowl is just a joke anyways. I mean, regardless what you think about the player, can't the fans be happy for them when they do something right?

I equate football to politics. While the majority will be happy you will never be able to appease a certain minority no matter what you do or say.

LOL, strike a nerve?...hes still a probowler x 3 and an Probowl MVP at that...look to other areas of the team, at CB we are solid. He may cost he team plays... but games? Nope, dont buy that.

You spout that "3 TIME PRO-BOWLER" like it means something. The end of his time in Atlanta and up the Skins tenure, he was one of the worst rated CBs in the game in terms of passes allowed (from the stats i've seen in articles). If you dont think his play hasn't cost us games, I suggest you review some of the games this year. Wasn't it the week after he shot his mouth off in the media about covering the best guy on the team, that he got his ass burned by some no named WR from the Rams? Yeah, that would be correct. Let's not even talk about that fiasco the year prior where he allowed JAKE DELHOLMME to drag his ass 7 yards for a first down to put the game away.

BUT BUT BUT HE'S A PRO BOWLER....lol

Kudos to him for having a good game in the Pro-Bowl. A game where they half ass it and most of the people elected don't even bother showing up. When they make the Pro-Bowl mean something (like giving the NFC/AFC home field advantage in Superbowl) then let me know.


Well, I guess that was directed at me. Likewise, I think it is just as equally unrealistic and clueless to down those who happen to applaud the players on our team who receive positive accolades. I mean, nobody here is saying D. Hall is the greatest CB to ever play the game, I don't think that at all, but I'm proud he was voted into the Pro Bowl and that he was the MVP. I mean, I here a lot of negativity from these fan sites every day, and a lot of it is just plain out belly-aching. You have people who say that D. Hall didn't deserve to play in the Pro Bowl, then when he plays well and receives honors at the game, then the same people say that the Pro Bowl is just a joke anyways. I mean, regardless what you think about the player, can't the fans be happy for them when they do something right?


First off, I've never downed anybody who's applauding any of the SKins selection to the Pro-Bowl. It's really a personal choice if you think the guy deserves it or not. I've always thought the guy could be the best CB this game has seen, but he simply doesn't have the discipline to play the position like he should. Look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The guy hardly gets any Ints (unlike D. Hall), but yet he's 10 times the better CB than D. Hall. Why? Because simply QBs won't even throw in his direction nor does he give up TDs. It's funny that D. Hall was paired with this guy and who was the individual that continually got burnt to a point they let him go after 8 games (after giving up a 2nd rounder and tons of cash).

BUT BUT I SAW HIM ON ESPN MAKING A PLAY!!! HE'S GOT TO BE GOOOD!!! No, not really. Perception is everything. Reality is generally something totally different.

I'm not a D. Hall hater, I just see D. Hall for what he is. A play maker who's also unreliable and inconsistent. Truth be told, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall.

If you dont think his play hasn't cost us games, I suggest you review some of the games this year. Wasn't it the week after he shot his mouth off in the media about covering the best guy on the team, that he got his ass burned by some no named WR from the Rams? Yeah, that would be correct. Let's not even talk about that fiasco the year prior where he allowed JAKE DELHOLMME to drag his ass 7 yards for a first down to put the game away. Wasn't he also the guy responsible for giving us the win against the Cowboys? Yeah, that would be correct.

Look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The guy hardly gets any Ints (unlike D. Hall), but yet he's 10 times the better CB than D. Hall. Why? Because simply QBs won't even throw in his direction nor does he give up TDs. It's funny that D. Hall was paired with this guy and who was the individual that continually got burnt to a point they let him go after 8 games (after giving up a 2nd rounder and tons of cash). Well I guess if QB's didn't throw passes D. Halls way, he wouldn't give up TD's. either.

BUT I SAW HIM ON ESPN MAKING A PLAY!!! HE'S GOT TO BE GOOOD!!! No, not really. Perception is everything. Reality is generally something totally different. Right perception is what you are demonstrating. Reality is D. Hall is "one of" the best CB's in the league. And a Pro Bowl MVP. Who leads the league in INT's and tackles among CB's.

, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall But unfortunatly for Rogers, Hall is the better all around CB. Tipped balls don't change games momentum or turn into TD's as much as INT's do. Rogers is not even close to the CB Hall is. If he was then Rogers would be 2011 Pro Bowl MVP. Or at least be in the Pro Bowl. Right?

HTTR!

Reality is, he's not a shutdown CB. He's a play-maker. Certain players' attributes have their tradeoffs.
i liken him to a home run hitter in baseball. sure, he gets burnt on occasion. but then he makes a play or 2 to win a game. this league is all about play makers. if Carlos Rogers had this ability, he would be a top 3 corner

Kudos to him for having a good game in the Pro-Bowl. A game where they half ass it and most of the people elected don't even bother showing up. When they make the Pro-Bowl mean something (like giving the NFC/AFC home field advantage in Superbowl) then let me know.





First off, I've never downed anybody who's applauding any of the SKins selection to the Pro-Bowl. It's really a personal choice if you think the guy deserves it or not. I've always thought the guy could be the best CB this game has seen, but he simply doesn't have the discipline to play the position like he should. Look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The guy hardly gets any Ints (unlike D. Hall), but yet he's 10 times the better CB than D. Hall. Why? Because simply QBs won't even throw in his direction nor does he give up TDs. It's funny that D. Hall was paired with this guy and who was the individual that continually got burnt to a point they let him go after 8 games (after giving up a 2nd rounder and tons of cash).

BUT BUT I SAW HIM ON ESPN MAKING A PLAY!!! HE'S GOT TO BE GOOOD!!! No, not really. Perception is everything. Reality is generally something totally different.

I'm not a D. Hall hater, I just see D. Hall for what he is. A play maker who's also unreliable and inconsistent. Truth be told, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall.

I'm seeing a lot of double speak. You're saying your not downing those who appreciate Redskins making the Pro Bowl, but you're also saying they're homers and unrealistic. Then you down the Pro Bowl game itself and then question whether or not a certain player deserves to play in it or not. Then you say you don't dislike the guy, but you continue putting the guy down as if he's dirt. Please, at least be consistent.

Barry Sanders was not consistent with his running. He would get bottled up for 5 and 6 yards losses and then he might break a long one on the next down. DeAngelo Hall is similar (and NO I don't believe DeAngelo Hall is as good as Barry Sanders before you start that argument) in that he might get burned on a pass or two, but he might intercept the next one and take it to the house. He's a gambler, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't, but he's not trash.

Right perception is what you are demonstrating. Reality is D. Hall is "one of" the best CB's in the league. And a Pro Bowl MVP. Who leads the league in INT's and tackles among CB's.

But unfortunatly for Rogers, Hall is the better all around CB. Tipped balls don't change games momentum or turn into TD's as much as INT's do. Rogers is not even close to the CB Hall is. If he was then Rogers would be 2011 Pro Bowl MVP. Right?



I can tell you have very little knowledge of the game of football. I liked this article about the best CBs in the league when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Oakland's CB tandem No. 1? Insiders rank five better - NFL - CBSSports.com Football (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10870259)

As for their cornerbacks, they should make for a good tandem, and, yes, they could wind up being one of the league's best.

I said could. Because while Nnamdi Asomugha is terrific, Hall is erratic and unreliable -- a talented player who thinks he's better than he is and who is coming off two subpar seasons.

Notice what he said about talented player who thinks he's better than he is. Back up by a defensive coordinator who pretty much says the same thing.

"The only way the Raiders are the best pair of cornerbacks," said an AFC defensive coordinator, "is when Hall is doing the evaluating. It's like he's a self-proclaimed Muhammad Ali.

"But Oakland has its cornerbacks playing man-to-man most of the game, and that's tough. So you're going to notice them, just as you're going to notice cornerbacks in schemes that depend more on that position than in defenses like Indianapolis, Tampa Bay or Chicago."

Still, Hall and Asomugha are not in a league of their own. Not yet anyway, though one secondary coach conceded that "if Hall plays to his potential and (Asomugha) has a good year they might be the best."


Comments above from a AFC def coordinator back when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Not satisfied with people's opinion? Let's go to the stats. Below are stats from the 2008 season.

Updated CB power rankings - The Official San Diego Chargers Forum (http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=60643)

This guy presents hard proof that D. Hall has and was been one of the worst rated CBs in the game.

1. Nnamdi Asomugha (1)
Last Week (vs. ATL): 0 attempts, 5 yards
Season Total: 11 attempts, 3.82 YPA, 54.55 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

2. Sheldon Brown (4)
Last Week (vs. SEA): 7 attempts, 7 yards, 4 INC forced
Season Total: 30 attempts, 3.10 YPA, 46.67 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

3. Corey Webster (2)
Last Week (vs. DAL): 6 attempts, 36 yards, 4 INC forced, 1 TD
Season Total: 34 attempts, 3.65 YPA, 55.88 Forced INC%, 1 TD

4. Charles Woodson (3)
Last Week (vs. TEN): 5 attempts, 26 yards, 2 INC forced
Season Total: 41 attempts, 4.37 YPA, 63.41 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

5. Al Harris (13)
Last Week (vs. TEN): 4 attempts, 0 yards, 4 INC forced
Season Total: 19 attempts, 3.58 YPA, 63.16 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

6. Darrelle Revis (10)
Last Week (vs. BUF): 1 attempt, 0 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 35 attempts, 5.23 YPA, 51.43 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

7. Carlos Rogers (7)
Last Week (vs. PIT): 14 attempts, 87 yards, 9 INC forced, 1 TD
Season Total: 72 attempts, 5.51 YPA, 50.00 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

8. Ronald Bartell (5)
Last Week (vs. ARZ): 9 attempts, 68 yards, 3 INC forced
Season Total: 47 attempts, 5.85 YPA, 42.55 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

9. Cortland Finnegan (6)
Last Week (vs. GB): 10 attempts, 79 yards, 7 INC forced
Season Total: 50 attempts, 6.50 YPA, 46.00 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

10. Antoine Winfield (14)
Last Week (vs. HOU): 2 attempts, 7 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 27 attempts, 5.26 YPA, 48.15 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

11. Jabari Greer (9)
Last Week (vs. NYJ): 5 attempts, 27 yards, 3 INC forced
Season Total: 45 attempts, 5.33 YPA, 44.44 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

12. Quentin Jammer (11)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 45 attempts, 5.49 YPA, 42.22 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

13. Nick Harper (8)
Last Week (vs. GB): 8 attempts, 90 yards, 2 INC forced
Season Total: 50 attempts, 5.56 YPA, 36.00 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

14. Phillip Buchanon (12)
Last Week (vs. KC): 3 attempts, 56 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 39 attempts, 5.67 YPA, 38.46 Forced INC%, 1 TD

15. Kelvin Hayden (15)
Last Week (vs. NE): Did not play (injured)
Season Total: 15 attempts, 4.00 YPA, 53.33 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

16. Rashean Mathis (16)
Last Week (vs. CIN): 7 attempts, 37 yards, 1 INC forced, 2 TDs
Season Total: 39 attempts, 6.23 YPA, 43.59 Forced INC%, 3 TDs

17. Bryant McFadden (17)
Last Week (vs. WAS): Did not play (injured)
Season Total: 41 attempts, 5.44 YPA, 31.71 Forced INC%, 1 TD

18. Antoine Cason (19)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 33 attempts, 5.30 YPA, 21.21 Forced INC%, 1 TD

19. Richard Marshall (22)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 18 attempts, 5.06 YPA, 22.22 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

20. Mike Jenkins (18)
Last Week (vs. NYG): 9 attempts, 52 yards, 2 INC forced, 1 TD
Season Total: 30 attempts, 5.57 YPA, 30.00 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

21. Kevin Dockery (20)
Last Week (vs. DAL): Did not play (injured)
Season Total: 26 attempts, 5.15 YPA, 26.92 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

22. Stanford Routt (21)
Last Week: 1 attempt, 27 yards, 1 TD
Season Total: 16 attempts, 5.00 YPA, 56.25 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

23. Asante Samuel (NR)
Last Week (vs. SEA): 4 attempts, 0 yards, 2 INC forced
Season Total: 43 attempts, 6.79 YPA, 39.53 Forced INC%, 3 TDs

24. Chris Houston (24)
Last Week (vs. OAK): 3 attempts, 7 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 48 attempts, 6.69 YPA, 35.42 Forced INC%, 1 TD

25. Mike McKenzie (25)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 26 attempts, 7.12 YPA, 34.62 Forced INC%, 1 TD


Top 10 most thrown at CBs

1. Carlos Rogers (72)
2. DeAngelo Hall (64)
3. Charles Tillman (56)
4. Chris Gamble (53)
5. Andre Goodman (52)
6T. Antonio Cromartie (50)
6T. Cortland Finnegan (50)
6T. Nick Harper (50)
6T. Brent Grimes (50)
6T. Dwight Lowery (50)

2006:
DeAngelo Hall
Targeted: 87 times
Yards allowed: 798 (2nd worst in NFL)
YPA: 9.2 (76th in the NFL)

2007:
DeAngelo Hall
Targeted: 69 times
Yards allowed: 539
YPA: 7.8 (54th in the NFL)

Did Al Davis watch any game film before making the decision to bring him in? It seems like all he did was turn on Madden 08 to see that Hall was fast and rated highly. That was enough for him to give up the farm to bring him in. Hall has never had a good CB playing on the other side of the field, so you would think that would make QBs throw away from him, but that wasn’t the case. He was beat and beat often by average WRs. So how was he REALLY performing in Oakland?

2008:
DeAngelo Hall
Targeted: 64 times (2nd most in NFL)
Catches allowed: 41 (most in NFL)
Yards allowed: 581 (most in NFL)
YPA: 9.08 (13th worst amongst starters)
Forced Incompletion %: 20.31% (10th worst amongst qualifiers)




Guess what? I think he also led CBs this year in catches/yards allowed for a CB. So besides that precious Int number you are holding onto, you have any stats to back up your claim he's one of the best CBs in the game? Truthfully, nothing much has changed since those years either. He still gets a shareof INTs, but still gives up a ton of plays/TDs/Yards. Like I said, play maker that's unreliable and inconsistent.

QBs are consistently throwing his direction for a reason.

I can tell you have very little knowledge of the game of football. I liked this article about the best CBs in the league when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Oakland's CB tandem No. 1? Insiders rank five better - NFL - CBSSports.com Football (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10870259)



Notice what he said about talented player who thinks he's better than he is. Back up by a defensive coordinator who pretty much says the same thing.




Comments above from a AFC def coordinator back when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Not satisfied with people's opinion? Let's go to the stats. Below are stats from the 2008 season.

Updated CB power rankings - The Official San Diego Chargers Forum (http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=60643)

This guy presents hard proof that D. Hall has and was been one of the worst rated CBs in the game.







Guess what? I think he also led CBs this year in catches/yards allowed for a CB. So besides that precious Int number you are holding onto, you have any stats to back up your claim he's one of the best CBs in the game? Truthfully, nothing much has changed since those years either. He still gets a shareof INTs, but still gives up a ton of plays/TDs/Yards. Like I said, play maker that's unreliable and inconsistent.

QBs are consistently throwing his direction for a reason.

How come your using old stats?

I'm seeing a lot of double speak. You're saying your not downing those who appreciate Redskins making the Pro Bowl, but you're also saying they're homers and unrealistic. Then you down the Pro Bowl game itself and then question whether or not a certain player deserves to play in it or not. Then you say you don't dislike the guy, but you continue putting the guy down as if he's dirt. Please, at least be consistent.


I'm very consistent. I suggest you reread what I said or ask for clarification.

I can cheer on my favorite team without being a clueless homer that believes that their players are more valuable or have no flaws.

First off, you complain that I'm saying something "negative" about our Pro-Bowl player. It's like you question our fan hood because we dont' chose to wear rose colored glasses like many homers. You guys were chirping about people and their views about D. Hall being overrated. If you don't want to be criticized, my suggestion to you is not to criticize the others. After all, they (including myself) have a valid point. You guys have your right to your opinion, and we have ours.



Barry Sanders was not consistent with his running. He would get bottled up for 5 and 6 yards losses and then he might break a long one on the next down. DeAngelo Hall is similar (and NO I don't believe DeAngelo Hall is as good as Barry Sanders before you start that argument) in that he might get burned on a pass or two, but he might intercept the next one and take it to the house. He's a gambler, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't, but he's not trash.

Not even remotely in the same ball park, but thanks for coming out. That was a pathetic attempt at making a comparison.

How come your using old stats?

Have they changed much in terms of him being high on the list of catches allowed, yards allowed, and TDs allowed? Has anything changed over the past 2 years that suddenly vaulted him into the elite category of corner backs? I'll retract that if you can prove it to be wrong.


ESPN 980 - Home of the Redskins (http://www.espn980.com/blogs/chris.php)

**DeAngelo Hall, has made a living out of getting burnt and creating plays at pretty much a 50/50 clip. Hall got burnt badly on a 92-yard TD and run by Mario Manningham. The Redskins blitzed on the 2nd-and-7 play, sending six rushers but getting no real pressure on Eli Manning. Hall mis-judged the ball and was torched by Manningham for a killer score to make it 17-7 Giants, a play that ultimately was the difference.

Doesn't look like they've changed much to me. Thought dude prior said his play hasn't cost us games?...lol

Fox didn't even try with that broadcast team last night... just brutal. Just like the game I guess.

Why do you hate Carl Edwards?