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Skins fan 44 12-22-2010, 10:34 PM What have we had 3 QB first round picks in the past 12 years or so (schuller, Ramsey and Campbell). Drafting a QB is so tough. Let hope Shanny is doing the reasearch on who to get next year as soon as the season is over. A nice franchise QB that would last 10-15 years would be great.
skinsfaninok 12-22-2010, 10:43 PM What have we had 3 QB first round picks in the past 12 years or so (schuller, Ramsey and Campbell). Drafting a QB is so tough. Let hope Shanny is doing the reasearch on who to get next year as soon as the season is over. A nice franchise QB that would last 10-15 years would be great.
QB's dont grown on trees.. Like the great Bill Parcells once said "Let me call 1-800-INEEDAQB".. LMAO..
SkinzWin 12-22-2010, 10:48 PM I'm sorry Kellen Moore? Is that the name of a Tight End or a new Nerf Gun? Lol, I kid I kid.
Anyway I could throw a bunch of numbers at you guys but instead I'll try to put it a different way. Passing up a potential franchise QB when you have a coaching staff in place that can groom him properly would have been like the Falcons drafting Ryan Clady and Chad Henne instead of Matt Ryan and Sam Baker. You could also picture the Ravens coming away from the 2008 draft with Sam Baker and Brian Brohm.
Today the Ravens and Falcons are viable Super Bowl contenders that will have a chance to compete for a title year in and year out until around 2022. Let me say that again, the Falcons and Ravens will be Super Bowl contenders until around 2022 simply because they are equipped with two of the leagues best passers.
How different do you think the Dolphins would look today if they had taken Matt Ryan instead of Jake Long? Sure Jake Long is a top tier tackle but last I checked their second round QB has been benched multiple times and the only reason the Dolphins were able to make the playoffs back in 2008 was because they lucked out with an out of date offensive formation and a QB who probably should have never been a free agent that late in the offseason. Until that team gets a franchise QB they will be nothing more then a flash in the pan.
Anyway the point of this cautionary tale is if we have the chance to draft a franchise QB lets pull the trigger. Not take the safe pick and hope that we can find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round which at best will turn into a one year wonder in Shanahan's system a la Brian Griese of course odds are on us finding Charlie Frye instead.
It's time to be a Falcon not a Dolphin.
I have always liked the Falcons since my dad used to live there so I agree... OKAY?!? I just really like Moore because of his ability to read defenses and analyze things quickly. It reminds me of Peyton Manning. However, I am not saying he is Peyton Manning.
GTripp0012 12-22-2010, 10:49 PM How different do you think the Dolphins would look today if they had taken Matt Ryan instead of Jake Long? Sure Jake Long is a top tier tackle but last I checked their second round QB has been benched multiple times and the only reason the Dolphins were able to make the playoffs back in 2008 was because they lucked out with an out of date offensive formation and a QB who probably should have never been a free agent that late in the offseason. Until that team gets a franchise QB they will be nothing more then a flash in the pan.
Anyway the point of this cautionary tale is if we have the chance to draft a franchise QB lets pull the trigger. Not take the safe pick and hope that we can find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round which at best will turn into a one year wonder in Shanahan's system a la Brian Griese of course odds are on us finding Charlie Frye instead.
It's time to be a Falcon not a Dolphin.This is intentionally not a complete picture (it's point is for utmost simplification), but:
Matt Ryan, career -> 60.8% complete for 6.9 Y/A
Chad Henne, career -> 61.3% complete for 6.6 Y/A
Basically, the difference between the Dolphins and the Falcons in these respective eras is absolutely NOT passing efficiency. And the largest difference in the passing efficiencies is not the quarterbacks, it's a first round WR pick in his prime (Roddy White) vs. an undrafted third year slot receiver (Davone Bess) as the most dependable target each team offers.
It's been a significant special teams advantage, and playing in the NFC South vs. the AFC East.
If you are going to model a winning team, the Falcons are absolutely not the team to model. That model would be "have a ridiculously good draft where all your picks hit, and play a soft regular schedule while disappointing in the playoffs."
I like the Bears model (win without an offense), the Chargers model (value trumps everything), the Titans/Jags model (everything comes from the ground game and pressure on the quarterback), and personally, the Gregg Williams secondary-first model. The Falcons model is 1) hard to duplicate, and 2) still lacking in long-term results.
I might, in hindsight, have recommended Matt Ryan over Jake Long. But Ryan still hasn't had a signature season, while Long's had the better career to date. I don't know how long that will hold, as it seems like a matter of time until Ryan is a perennial pro-bowler.
SkinzWin 12-22-2010, 10:49 PM QB's dont grown on trees.. Like the great Bill Parcells once said "Let me call 1-800-INEEDAQB".. LMAO..
Terrible line! Everyone knows telephone numbers have 7 digits, NOT 8!!!! Silly Parcells, that's why he is a bum. That and he coached the cowboys.
skinsfaninok 12-22-2010, 10:51 PM I'm sorry Kellen Moore? Is that the name of a Tight End or a new Nerf Gun? Lol, I kid I kid.
Anyway I could throw a bunch of numbers at you guys but instead I'll try to put it a different way. Passing up a potential franchise QB when you have a coaching staff in place that can groom him properly would have been like the Falcons drafting Ryan Clady and Chad Henne instead of Matt Ryan and Sam Baker. You could also picture the Ravens coming away from the 2008 draft with Sam Baker and Brian Brohm.
Today the Ravens and Falcons are viable Super Bowl contenders that will have a chance to compete for a title year in and year out until around 2022. Let me say that again, the Falcons and Ravens will be Super Bowl contenders until around 2022 simply because they are equipped with two of the leagues best passers.
How different do you think the Dolphins would look today if they had taken Matt Ryan instead of Jake Long? Sure Jake Long is a top tier tackle but last I checked their second round QB has been benched multiple times and the only reason the Dolphins were able to make the playoffs back in 2008 was because they lucked out with an out of date offensive formation and a QB who probably should have never been a free agent that late in the offseason. Until that team gets a franchise QB they will be nothing more then a flash in the pan.
Anyway the point of this cautionary tale is if we have the chance to draft a franchise QB lets pull the trigger. Not take the safe pick and hope that we can find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round which at best will turn into a one year wonder in Shanahan's system a la Brian Griese of course odds are on us finding Charlie Frye instead.
It's time to be a Falcon not a Dolphin.
Flacco = Elite?? IDK about that, have you seen his career PLAYOFF numbers and QB rating? It's like 1 TD to 6 Int under 50 QB rating.. That's not elite my man.
AS will GB,SD and Pitt with their QBs
skinsfaninok 12-22-2010, 10:54 PM This is intentionally not a complete picture (it's point is for utmost simplification), but:
Matt Ryan, career -> 60.8% complete for 6.9 Y/A
Chad Henne, career -> 61.3% complete for 6.6 Y/A
Basically, the difference between the Dolphins and the Falcons in these respective eras is absolutely NOT passing efficiency. And the largest difference in the passing efficiencies is not the quarterbacks, it's a first round WR pick in his prime (Roddy White) vs. an undrafted third year slot receiver (Davone Bess) as the most dependable target each team offers.
It's been a significant special teams advantage, and playing in the NFC South vs. the AFC East.
If you are going to model a winning team, the Falcons are absolutely not the team to model. That model would be "have a ridiculously good draft where all your picks hit, and play a soft regular schedule while disappointing in the playoffs."
I like the Bears model (win without an offense), the Chargers model (value trumps everything), the Titans/Jags model (everything comes from the ground game and pressure on the quarterback), and personally, the Gregg Williams secondary-first model. The Falcons model is 1) hard to duplicate, and 2) still lacking in long-term results.
I might, in hindsight, have recommended Matt Ryan over Jake Long. But Ryan still hasn't had a signature season, while Long's had the better career to date. I don't know how long that will hold, as it seems like a matter of time until Ryan is a perennial pro-bowler.
Chad Henne isnt on the same Planet as Matt Ryan
skinsfaninok 12-22-2010, 10:55 PM Terrible line! Everyone knows telephone numbers have 7 digits, NOT 8!!!! Silly Parcells, that's why he is a bum. That and he coached the cowboys.
LOL well he's a HOF coach and can build a shit team into a playoff team overnight.. Other than that he's a bum
SkinzWin 12-22-2010, 10:56 PM At least we can say we will be something until 2022. A Punching bag. I heard Pacquiao just ripped his last one to streads.
SkinzWin 12-22-2010, 10:57 PM LOL well he's a HOF coach and can build a shit team into a playoff team overnight.. Other than that he's a bum
No, that wasn't him. That was the great and wise Jerry Jonas brother. Well he's only a half-brother. That's why he doesn't tour. Plus he's not into staying sober and abstinent. You know whose in the jersey in this video don't you? Refer above....
Couple Christens Dallas Cowboys Stadium's New Bathroom Stalls (http://deadspin.com/5370499/couple-christens-dallas-cowboys-stadiums-new-bathroom-stalls)
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