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Chico23231 12-23-2010, 10:15 AM The Eagles would still be a playoff contending team with Kolb in the lineup. Can't say the same for the Pats without Brady.
31 TDs vs 4 INTs is just off the charts sick
Really? I think the Eagles would not be tops in the east and with the NFC South so strong and Chicago Bears coming alive, I think they would be outside looking in...Brady second half of the season has been unbelievable. Its a toss up, but I lean towards Vick. Its hard for me to avoid what he has been through, its flat out unbelievable. EVERYONE thought Vick was done and diminished his past preformances as QB...apparently leading the first visiting team to win in Lambaugh field in the playoffs not a big deal. His career W/L record at QB for the Falcons is not bad. He changed the QB position, in college football there is a direct link from Vick to Tebow and Newton, the running QB as a weapon. He was the most hated guy in the sports world and noone wanted him to succeed and now he's carrying a team now in such an impressive fashion.
So I cant ignore what he has been through and to see such growth makes him the MVP IMO.
Jontrem 12-23-2010, 10:22 AM Are you saying that Vick created the running threat as a QB? It goes back much farther than that, just three obvious names are Major Harris, Tony Rice and Kordell Stewart.
To be clear I am not a Mike Vick hatter. What he did was deplorable but he paid his price for it and acted like a man. One of my best friends growing up was his main receiver in college too, so I have some measure of love for him because of that. I am basing this based on the seasons that the two have had.
Chico23231 12-23-2010, 10:37 AM Are you saying that Vick created the running threat as a QB? It goes back much farther than that, just three obvious names are Major Harris, Tony Rice and Kordell Stewart.
I didnt say create, I said changed. He was/is much better, faster, and more of a playmaker than those 3 combined IMO. Major Harris was a beast though
Jontrem 12-23-2010, 10:42 AM Major Harris was a beast though
Yes he was! Most of my family was/are huge Notre Dame fans and the ones who aren't are Rutgers fans, I was at the game in I think 89 where Harris had maybe his best game. I think he rushed for around 200 yards. I remember my father telling me I would never see another athlete like him (I was 10 at the time) oh how wrong my dad was!
Thanks for the clarification!
TheSmurfs22 12-23-2010, 10:42 AM Brady is the MVP this year. He has a cast of no names for the most part and they continue to roll over competition.
Rivers would be my second choice.
Really? I think the Eagles would not be tops in the east and with the NFC South so strong and Chicago Bears coming alive, I think they would be outside looking in...Brady second half of the season has been unbelievable. Its a toss up, but I lean towards Vick. Its hard for me to avoid what he has been through, its flat out unbelievable. EVERYONE thought Vick was done and diminished his past preformances as QB...apparently leading the first visiting team to win in Lambaugh field in the playoffs not a big deal. His career W/L record at QB for the Falcons is not bad. He changed the QB position, in college football there is a direct link from Vick to Tebow and Newton, the running QB as a weapon. He was the most hated guy in the sports world and noone wanted him to succeed and now he's carrying a team now in such an impressive fashion.
So I cant ignore what he has been through and to see such growth makes him the MVP IMO.
Not saying the Eagles would still be leading the division with Kolb, but I do think they would be in the playoff hunt.
Take away Brady and they're lucky to be .500
Chico23231 12-23-2010, 10:56 AM Not saying the Eagles would still be leading the division with Kolb, but I do think they would be in the playoff hunt.
Take away Brady and they're lucky to be .500
I dont know, they gotta another Matt Cassel in the depth charts we dont know about? That dude stepped it up pretty big for the Pats a couple years ago. When talking about the MVPs of Brady and Vick, look at those organizations and how they are run. Both are proven winners in the FO. Great talent evaluators, super smart with contracts, know when to let vets walk, coaching is top notch, they will take chances on guys (Moss, TO, Vick) etc. AND they continue to win...So Vick or Brady MVPs? Or are those organization run so effecient they put players in the best situation to succeed at particular points in time? I think you take away Brady and Vick, they may both be in the playoff hunt
Jontrem 12-23-2010, 11:42 AM I think the above is a valid point. Only it should be remembered that Cassel is showing that what he did in New England wasn't all just the system or the talent around him. The guy can play some good football.
Terpfan76 12-23-2010, 12:13 PM At this point, I'm going with Brady but Peyton Manning deserves some props... perhaps an honorable mention. The guy is keeping his team in contention with a MASH unit for an offense. He loses wrs on a weekly basis and has no running game, yet he still manages to get the job done. This team won't play for the Super Bowl, hell, they may not make the Playoffs, but the Colts are one team that would be as bad if not worse than the Panthers if Manning went down. In my mind, that makes him the MVP.
Jontrem 12-23-2010, 12:58 PM At this point, I'm going with Brady but Peyton Manning deserves some props... perhaps an honorable mention. The guy is keeping his team in contention with a MASH unit for an offense. He loses wrs on a weekly basis and has no running game, yet he still manages to get the job done. This team won't play for the Super Bowl, hell, they may not make the Playoffs, but the Colts are one team that would be as bad if not worse than the Panthers if Manning went down. In my mind, that makes him the MVP.
Thats something that needs to be defined better, what are the criteria for an MVP?
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