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cdskins26 12-21-2010, 07:18 AM The reason we need to take our quarterback in the first round (if not now, next year) is because it improves his odds at success. Last year, ravens, jets, chargers, colts, bengals, eagles, packers, etc all had first round quarterbacks. I am hesitant to take a wide receiver so high and risk getting burned, because that position is very renown for high round busts, and middle round steals.
Big C 12-21-2010, 07:33 AM what qbs in this draft fit our offensive system besides locker and luck, who definitely will be gone before us if he even goes pro
mooby 12-21-2010, 08:23 AM I really think people need to forget about Luck. If he comes out, there's almost a certainty he'll go #1 overall. He's the best can't miss prospect of the last decade, and the top of the draft has qb needy teams everywhere except for Detroit. There's no way we get him even if he does come out, and he might not even come out because in recent interviews he's said he wants to try to win a national championship at Stanford and also get his degree before he leaves. There's no way Andrew Luck would fall all the way to where we'll be picking, and I doubt we'd trade up for him either.
Well, there's a problem here because we don't have playmakers offensively. And it's pretty clear Donovan McNabb was at one time among the most talented QBs in the league, but not anymore.
The system seemed to work well in Houston.
Then hopefully we can find the next Matt Schaub in the draft. He was a third rounder, so it's not out of the question.
freddyg12 12-21-2010, 09:17 AM If we don't develop a QB that can play on a consistent basis then stocking the line with early draft picks is going to produce results similar to that of the 49ers.
As of today they have 3 first round picks, and two early second round picks all drafted by them. Their record is 5-9 in the NFC West.
The best teams are able to find 3rd round picks and beyond and develop them consistently enough that the team not only has a great starting line but enough depth to deal with injuries. The Jets are the only elite team right now that has a line stocked with guys who were 1st rounders, either taken by the Jets or signed as a free agent. Yet their QB has a measly 74 QB rating.
How is that when he has all these great receivers and all day to throw? The fact of the matter is the QB more times then not is the problem. Weather it's a system problem or inability to adjust to the speed of the game problem. The fact remains that if you have a good QB you're at least going to see something.
Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben have lines that at the very least are comparable to ours. Yet they top the league in passing stats year in and year out. Peyton Manning has a line that would make most of you shutter and Brady's line has one measly first round pick.
Despite the McNabb experiments utter failure I still trust that we have a coaching staff that can develop a young signal caller. And history suggest that our odds of stumbling onto a Schuab or even a Romo is very low. You're much better off using the first round to draft a QB. Especially if you think that QB is a great fit for your system and all indications seem to suggest that Locker is a great fit. At the very least Shanahan is impressed with him and in the end thats all that matters.
I might be in the minority but I think we need to drop this idea that we need to stock the line with early draft picks. As of now we probably just need one more 1st or 2nd round pick along the line but beyond that I would rather get a pipeline going of 3rd rounders and beyond on an annual basis like the rest of the leagues elite team and develop a line that way.
I strongly encourage everyone to look at the ESPN depth charts around the league and look at the O-Line depth charts. You'll see where many of the best teams have lines composed of 5th, 6th, 7th, and UDFA's with one or two early round picks serving as the anchors. The real problem with the line up until this point hasn't necessarily been a lack of binging on early round picks (though it had been a problem before Trent came along) but rather an inability to develop late round guys past Heyer.
Above all I don't want to go into 2012 with our hopes hinging on a rookie QB especially if it means passing up a guy that fits our system in 2011.
Good points.
freddyg12 12-21-2010, 09:20 AM Luck is a first overall pick no matter what. Please grasp this guys. I want Luck more then anyone but there is zero chance that we are in position to draft him short of trading our first round picks for the next five years in exchange for the number one overall pick. This guy is bar none the best draft prospect since Peyton Manning. Others come close based on their draft day value but no player will be as highly regarded on draft day as Luck will be.
On top of that the only way to get Luck to come out this year is to have a CBA that allows the current rookie wage system to stay in place for one more year. Other then that it's back to Stanford to try and win a national championship.
Carolina likely has that pick. I don't know a lot about them, but they are a smaller mkt & probably not a rich team per se. They may not be too happy w/spending #1 pick money.
If Luck is comin out this year, I wouldn't put it past the Skins to make a play for him. The most encouraging factor in that is that Allen will get a much better deal than vinny would've.
SFREDSKIN 12-21-2010, 10:55 AM Luck is a first overall pick no matter what. Please grasp this guys. I want Luck more then anyone but there is zero chance that we are in position to draft him short of trading our first round picks for the next five years in exchange for the number one overall pick. This guy is bar none the best draft prospect since Peyton Manning. Others come close based on their draft day value but no player will be as highly regarded on draft day as Luck will be.
On top of that the only way to get Luck to come out this year is to have a CBA that allows the current rookie wage system to stay in place for one more year. Other then that it's back to Stanford to try and win a national championship.
Couldn't agree more, especially having seen him play a lot. The guy is one tough SOB.
Paintrain 12-21-2010, 11:02 AM Jake Locker is not good.
I may be really, really wrong about this but Locker seems a little Shuler-ish for my taste. I don't see him looking down the field, don't see him reading the defense, it's one read and fling or one read and go. His 'speed' will get eaten up at the next level (see Smith, Alex) and I don't see any other elite tools.. Are you seeing the same thing or what's your scouting report?
Summo 12-21-2010, 11:09 AM Our luck they will make a run at Vince Young!
skinsguy 12-21-2010, 11:29 AM Carolina likely has that pick. I don't know a lot about them, but they are a smaller mkt & probably not a rich team per se. They may not be too happy w/spending #1 pick money.
If Luck is comin out this year, I wouldn't put it past the Skins to make a play for him. The most encouraging factor in that is that Allen will get a much better deal than vinny would've.
Carolina has Jimmy Clausen, so I don't believe they would be making a play for any other QB in the draft this year. You are correct though, Carolina isn't exactly a big market.
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