Are MNF Refs on the take, or just in love with the Cowboys

I would imagine that a good chunk of Hochuli's 6 figure salary (I've never heard he made that much till now) comes from the referee union that he represents.

They have got to pay the refs more to get better results. The refs get paid diddly compared to the players, owners, GMs, commish, cheerleaders (ok, maybe not them), etc. They produce the results of underpaid scrubs (which is what they are right now).


Oh contrair cpayne, they are being paid for making those exact call's, Why? Because that's how the NFL higharchy want's it, don't kid yourself into believing that these ref's are that stupid, I don't call them referee's any longer I call them controler's, because that's what they do, I know this is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of us real sportsman who believe in the integrity of the game, and that the NFL will put out a patronizing apology here and there and back it up with everyone has bad call's against them, but don't think for 1 second that they do their very best to steer a lot of these games to their desired outcome, with instant replay avail. and at the booth official's discretion they refuse to check the replay? And as bad as that was it wasen't nearly as bad as that nonesense that took place against us on that monday night game we played against Dallas, I speak from experience I have refereed football games so I have an idea on what's going on in the mind of a ref during the game, most of the complaint's are on thing's you didn't see not call's that you did, the problem that used to occur with myself is that I worked with only 1 other guy so you pretty much had to watch the ball and call the most obvious but judgement call's were usually fairly easy such as reception's, spotting the ball, out of bound's, reason I alway's found them easy is because you alway's have a tendancy to watch the ball, that's why this down by contact rule is the most contradictory bunch of garbage I have ever seen, it is a loophole in the replay rule that allow's the ref's to circumvent the play if need be, what is the difference if you just allow the replay to proceed? What harm is done? Keep the whistle in the pocket then make your call after the play is done and let the challenge prevail if need be, it's not a big deal, and so we understand this rule it is not a rule envoked only when the play was blown dead early that almost never happen's, it's a rule that does exactly what the NFL executives want and that's control of the games and a say on who they want to promote and market, don't tell me some one some where didn't have it in for us this year, I know we deserved a lot of what we got in term's of our play, and stupidity this year, but we also pretty much had 2 games ripped right out from under us by the ref's the most blatent against the cowboy's put 2 more win's in our column and we are front runner's for the last wild card slot, I just see to much nonesense to believe there's nothing to this, I have the same feeling about these ref's as I did about pro wrestling before I was old enough to figure out it was fake, now I know some of you may say Hey Offiss your a little bit over the edge with these conspiricy theories, but I say to you yes wrestling is fake! :D

Interesting theory offiss. If I were to play devil's advocate I'd say well commissioner Paul Tagliabue is a DC guy and he grew up a Redskins fan, plus wouldn't a great story be the successful return of coach Joe Gibbs? So why wouldn't the conspiracy tilt in our favor?

Sorry Charlie but there is no way "the NFL" has such a conspiracy. The NFL is run by the owners and they are not going to sit around and wqtch thier team get whored simply for marketing reasons. And don't even try and compare refing an NFL game and refing anything else. The game is twice as fast making it at least twice as hard to ref.

The replay thing does need to be looked at. I know repalys cannot be used all the time because in big rivalry games it would take a week to play a game if every close play was reviewed. I think though every type of play should be reviewable and when a challenge is called the challenging coach should be able to say what specifically is to be reviewed if there are multiple infringements that individually would have called the play dead.

What is stuppid in the system right now is certian plays are non reviewable but the plays that are deemed non reviewable tend to be some of the most clear cut decisions in the game like PI and catches.

I wouldn't say I have lost faith in the zebras on the field but they do need to look at thier performance. I did see the BS intentional grounding on Carr that pulled the life out the texans drive especially considering the refs bumbling afterwards and it isn't an issolated incedence.

Maybe the solution is to make them more professional, full time and therefore accountable. Give the ref on the field the option to review a play he is not sure on that kind of thing but something has to be done.

the refs have the option to stop the clock 10 times or 10 plays within the 2 minute warning if need be, so why did they not stop it in such a critical play to the overall outcome of the game.... but, they probably would've effed it up anyways

I feel PI is very hard to call. Unless you are able to watch those guys the entire time I think it's hard to call. Replay on everything. You only get two challenges.

Offiss: I've watched non-skin games before and thought it was rigged. Some things that happen are so unbelievable it seems like they could only be set up. I always think somoene has it out for the skins, so I ignore all those feelings. I like conspiracy theories, and if games were somewhat decided via refs controled by the league, I wouldn't be that suprised.

So, the whole league is rigged.

Does this mean that Tagliabue is actually Vince McMahon (of WWF fame) in drag?

I think that the cheerleaders should review all the plays. They may not get the call right but they would look good with thier back sides hanging out while they duck in to watch the review! :thumb:

I never said it was rigged, Cpayne. Just said it seems like it sometimes =p