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skinsfaninok 12-14-2010, 11:05 PM Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.
No shit, people always want to bring the negatives out, the Guy is a damn good coach and he WILL make folks eat their words in WSH.
Beemnseven 12-14-2010, 11:12 PM Yeah Matty I don't think it's just draft picks or having a good track record. Let's face it, we've brought in a ton of guys with sterling track records that have been utter failures here. Heck, Vinny Cerrato nailed some really good picks for the Skins.
Shanahan just doesn't seem to be on his game for all the dough he's getting. I get the sense that he's disciplined and tough, but not really on his game. There's no other way around it. I think when people try to figure out what's needling Redskins fans, the first thing they say is we're impatient or this guy needs time, etc. Shanahan bought in a bunch of retreads at RB, shuffled the oline all season long, and has been up and down with McNabb. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Really, there hasn't been all that much difference between him and Jim Zorn if you ask me. If you strip away the Super Bowl trophies, no reasonable person could convince me there has been any improvement at all. For $7 mil per year, I expected a little more.
Sometimes I just get the feeling that he and Kyle are just tinkering with the team on the fly.
Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?
The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.
McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.
He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game"? Seriously?
Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?
Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?
The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.
McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.
He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game"? Seriously?
Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?
Well.....how many games would an experienced coach need? I figured we could lose the first 6 while he's loosening up and maybe win out through the SB.........then do the dynastic thing and repeatedly year after year dominate either NE or Indy for the Championship??
SirClintonPortis 12-14-2010, 11:30 PM For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.
Here's a column (http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2010/12/thom-loverro-shanahan-no-rough-draft) by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...
And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.
Change takes time, honestly 12th your expectations for this year seem a little unreasonable. Shanahan took over a 4-12 team that lacked depth and didn't have a full compliment of draft picks. Add in a limited free agent pool and the task of getting this team turned around in one offseason was a very tall one, and probably a very unlikely one. It's been a frustrating year but we've had some nice wins and some very tough losses. I think the team has been more competitive than some are giving them credit for, especially given the lack of depth and impact players. It's simply too early to be so down on this new regime.
No shit, people always want to bring the negatives out, the Guy is a damn good coach and he WILL make folks eat their words in WSH.
YES, you are correct!
Beemnseven 12-14-2010, 11:43 PM And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.
Looked to be a pretty good mix of both offensive and defensive selections. Are they future Hall of Famers? Maybe not, but the point is, Mike Shanahan isn't the outright worthless talent evaluator people make him out to be.
12thMan 12-14-2010, 11:53 PM Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?
The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.
McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.
He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game"? Seriously?
Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?
Again, the standard 'be patient' BS. Injuries are a part of the game, not an excuse. The fact that we dicked around with Willie Parker and Larry Johnson the entire offseason, while Brian Westbrook, Lagarrette Blount, and Marshawn Lynch were on the market is our fault, that's not an excuse either.
Joey Galloway, major retread. Jammal Brown, a waste and a retread. Adam Carriker, Kemo, Philip Buchanan, Artis Hicks, Roydell Williams, Vonnie Holliday - all retreads. And so many more rotten, questionable moves and non-moves Shanny has made.
McNabb is so done here it's not even funny. It wouldn't surprise me if the guy doesn't even want to come back. Of course he'll toe the company line, but let's see what the offseason brings.
Can you honestly say this team is better than last year's team?
Hail to the Redskins 12-14-2010, 11:55 PM I agree with you on this. I really don't think he's going to be back. It's painfully obvious that the Shanahans don't like the guy and I don't blame them. He's freakin' terrible and Philly knew what they were doing and got over on us. After watching Jackson last night I would think Minnesota might be in on a trade. Maybe...
...yeah.. Minnesota... He played under Childress in Philly too.... oh wait... lol
Honestly though, there will quite a few teams looking for a starting QB this offseason... Minny, Carolina, Seattle, San Fran (maybe?), Arizona (for sure!), Buffalo (maybe... Fitzpatrick actually has some pretty decent #s thus year... look 'em up), Cincy (maybe?), Indianapolis (just kidding! lol), Tennessee...
I definitely could see someone in that group valuing Donovan McNabb for their team.
Also... I don't think that people were expecting 4-12 to 12-4... but you watch the Chiefs, the Rams, and the Buccaneers... first you think... THAT'S what we were hoping for... then you realize... ALL THREE teams' coaches are in their SECOND SEASON with the team.... so I guess we'll see next year right??
(Side note... It's gotta be pretty good to be a Tampa fan and see wins and see 5 ROOKIES STARTING ON OFFENSE!... especially when one is a RB, 2 are WRs, and 2 are O-Linemen.... and of by the way, you're QB is 2nd-year pro... wow that'd be great eh!?)
12thMan 12-14-2010, 11:56 PM Change takes time, honestly 12th your expectations for this year seem a little unreasonable. Shanahan took over a 4-12 team that lacked depth and didn't have a full compliment of draft picks. Add in a limited free agent pool and the task of getting this team turned around in one offseason was a very tall one, and probably a very unlikely one. It's been a frustrating year but we've had some nice wins and some very tough losses. I think the team has been more competitive than some are giving them credit for, especially given the lack of depth and impact players. It's simply too early to be so down on this new regime.
okay, i'm a little heated (and tipsy) right now. you're right, but i'm just pissed. i'm tired and i'm pissed. i thought at least things would feel different with shanny at the helm, but it seems it's the same old same old.
i guess winning cures all as they say. but a little whisky and a lot of losing ain't a good mix.
i'm out.
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