Is it finally time to rebuild??

Bruce Allen was instrumental in bringing Joey Galloway here...make of that what you will

Doing game breakdown now...

I would pay $20 to watch a Rocky McIntosh lowlight reel. He's not bad in the same way that Casey Rabach is bad (the "why are you in the NFL" way). McIntosh LOOKS like a pretty imposing LB before the snap. He's just a dreadful, mistake-prone LB after the snap. A big reason why we have struggled against the run this year.

Not as big of a reason as Kedric Golston being out of position, but still.

Agree the Skins changed course when Vinny turned in the keys to the executive wash room. And I defnitely agree the change in course was a positive one.

I must say however that I really do not know how much Bruce Allen has had to do with the new direction of the team - - other than to be a figurehead and a pointman for marketing/PR/communications activities. It sure looks to me as if Mike Shanahan is the main man and Bruce Allen handles contracts and salary caps and community stuff only.

Pretty major stuff! He's ushered in a new era of fiscal responsibility thus far.

Pretty major stuff! He's ushered in a new era of fiscal responsibility thus far.

Biggest payroll in the NFC and that's fiscal responsibility?

How many new/additional scouts did he hire for the Redskins - - collegiate scouts and pro player scouts? I believe the answer would be ZERO. And that makes improvement on your drafting and free agency evaluations more of a "random thing" than an organizational commitment.

The Skins need to rebuild. They do not have the infrastructure to do that - - because they do not have the organizational commitment to do that.

Trading draft picks for older players (over 30) has happened much much much less frequently than we fans seem to want to think it has. Aside from McNabb, how many times have we done that in recent years? I'm sure there have been a couple other times, but I really can't think of them

Gonzalez got traded at around 32/33 for a second round pick so it's certainly possible. Cooley would obviously be a tough choice but if they're not going to use the two tight end sets then it wouldn't be a bad idea to trade him for a second round pick. Then again Shanon Sharpe was productive all the way through his career which finally ended when he was 35.

Rebuilding is about making tough decisions going forward. If we're committed to a rebuild then I say we strongly consider dealing Cooley for a second round pick.

We've had 1 offseason w/Allen & Shan, do you think they "overpaid" anybody? They didn't sign AH, that was on Vinny's watch. They just brought in reasonable contracts this year & a no. of undrafted players or guys recently cut by other teams, e.g. Torain, Armstrong, Lichtensteiger.

While I expect that we'll be busy in free agency due to the needs of the team & the no. of good players availalbe, I expect Allen to keep the signing bonuses in check, that's what he's known for. For the really good free agents I expect deals like McNabb's; potential big $ but an easy out for the team if it doesn't go well.

well they over paid in the form of draft picks for both mcnabb and brown.... and they bought in bums like galloway, larry johnson, roydell williams, a scrub nose tackle, carriker, hicks and licktenstiger (sp). so as far as i'm concerned shanahan and allen have done a terrible job and right now i have no faith in either of them.

Yeah,.the rebuilding process started when Vinny was canned and Allen was brought in. I don't know why so many people won't admit it.

I knew this would be a transition/rebuliding year, with more success in year #2.


Of course, I had blindly optimistic hopes for the team...I always do as a true fan...but there was a LOT to fix with a 4-12 team with no offensive line whatsoever...more than could be fixed in a single year.

We've made a lot more progress than our record shows. I'm a bit worried about the defensive scheme, but individuals have played well on defense. The 4-3 to 3-4 move is rarely smooth.

I disagree cause if they truly thought that then why give philly two picks for mcnabb? and two more picks for brown? they wanted to win now.

well they over paid in the form of draft picks for both mcnabb and brown.... and they bought in bums like galloway, larry johnson, roydell williams, a scrub nose tackle, carriker, hicks and licktenstiger (sp). so as far as i'm concerned shanahan and allen have done a terrible job and right now i have no faith in either of them.

We gave up one pick for Brown and a pick, not multiple picks for Brown. Give him one more offseason to get fully healthy. Guys like Galliway, LJ, and Roydell were short term relatively cheap solutions while the Torains, Austins, and Kellys of the team develop/get healthy. Carriker is quietly solid, but will probably never be someone who gets respect from fans. He's young though and cost us almost nothing to acquire. kory l is also quite young and cost basically nothing to acquire

well they over paid in the form of draft picks for both mcnabb and brown.... and they bought in bums like galloway, larry johnson, roydell williams, a scrub nose tackle, carriker, hicks and licktenstiger (sp). so as far as i'm concerned shanahan and allen have done a terrible job and right now i have no faith in either of them.

Carriker has actually been a nice find. Maybe not dominant but such is the nature of being a 3-4 DE not named Seymour or Smith. Kory L also has been pretty decent and should be a solid starter for the next few years.

I don't think people realize this but building an O-Line is a constant process and in order to feed that process you can't afford to use 1st and 2nd round picks every year to fuel it otherwise you're doing a huge disservice to the rest of your team.

The best lines usually have at most two first day draft picks and then supplement the rest of the line with late round draft picks and free agents. Our inability to find those late round role players has been our Achilles heel, in part because we haven't even tried to draft anyone to begin with.

The only real priority on the line these days is center. Rabach has to go. Why he hasn't been benched is beyond me but his inability to stop himself from getting pushed back has become a huge liability. Look at this key play against the Bucs. Want to know why Torrain had to go east-west instead of north south. Because Rabach was literally pushed into him.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad93/CapsXXVI/Rabach.png

So many of Shanahan's best lineman have been late round picks. Late being 4th round and better. We need to realize that fixing the line isn't going to come from binging in the first and second round on offensive lineman but rather identifying talent later in the draft and creating depth all around. Hopefully we've already started with Cook and Capers.

We gave up one pick for Brown and a pick, not multiple picks for Brown. Give him one more offseason to get fully healthy. Guys like Galliway, LJ, and Roydell were short term relatively cheap solutions while the Torains, Austins, and Kellys of the team develop/get healthy. Carriker is quietly solid, but will probably never be someone who gets respect from fans. He's young though and cost us almost nothing to acquire. kory l is also quite young and cost basically nothing to acquire

SIR, your.....logic based rebuttal and debate founded in fact have NO place here!