2011 NFL Draft


SmootSmack
04-13-2011, 02:43 PM
I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

celts32
04-13-2011, 03:05 PM
I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

Everything you say makes sense to me. However, if they like Locker enough that they are not even willing to risk it by trying to trade down to aquire more picks...doesn't that excite you as a Redskins fan?

In my eyes if they trade down and still get him later in the draft I will be happy but it will also leave me wondering how much they actually believe in him as their future QB. Basically my excitement about Locker is based on the rumors of how much Shanny likes him. If thats all just nonsense then I don't care all that much if we end up with him.

skinsfaninok
04-13-2011, 03:16 PM
What's funny about Fairley is most mocks have him going to TEN lol

MTK
04-13-2011, 03:22 PM
Everything you say makes sense to me. However, if they like Locker enough that they are not even willing to risk it by trying to trade down to aquire more picks...doesn't that excite you as a Redskins fan?

In my eyes if they trade down and still get him later in the draft I will be happy but it will also leave me wondering how much they actually believe in him as their future QB. Basically my excitement about Locker is based on the rumors of how much Shanny likes him. If thats all just nonsense then I don't care all that much if we end up with him.

I'd bet if we don't trade down, it's because we couldn't find a partner vs. any sort of indictment on Locker.

I wouldn't rule out taking Locker at #10, but MS might prefer having his cake and eating it too by gaining an extra pick and still grabbing Locker later on. That's just smart drafting. Sure there are risks involved, but you don't win in this league without taking some risks.

Dirtbag59
04-13-2011, 03:26 PM
I'd prefer that if we get Locker, it's because we've added more picks that allow us to get Locker and more. If we sit where we are, and take Locker i don't know that that's the best scenario. But if we pass on him and go for say Ponder, Ponder may not be there at #41. Which would force us to move up maybe into the late 1st for him.

In short, Locker is not choice #1 for me at 10. But maybe it's 1A. But that's my opinion, not that of the people that matter

I don't know why you were worry about Ponder not being there at 41. Look at Colt McCoy last year. 2010 as we know produced at least 2 quality QB's. maybe 3 if Tebow pans out. McCoy probably should have gone in the early second at least but dropped to the early 3rd because of concerns about durability. Ponder has those same concerns, in fact they're probably worse in his case.

On top of that McCoy had a much more storied career. Ponder's only advantage over McCoy is that he came from a pro style offense. Also, McCoy didn't have to compete with the number of QB's that Ponder has had to over the course of this draft process.

In McCoy's range, as it turns out his only competition was Clausen, maybe Tebow as well. Ponder has to compete with Kaepernick, Dalton, Mallet, and maybe even Locker.

Unless we take him at 41 it will be very likely to see Ponder fall to the third on draft weekend, and this is coming from someone that likes Ponder more then any of the other QB's in this class including Gabbert.

celts32
04-13-2011, 03:28 PM
I'd bet if we don't trade down, it's because we couldn't find a partner vs. any sort of indictment on Locker.

I wouldn't rule out taking Locker at #10, but MS might prefer having his cake and eating it too by gaining an extra pick and still grabbing Locker later on. That's just smart drafting. Sure there are risks involved, but you don't win in this league without taking some risks.

When it comes to any other position I agree that its smart drafting but if a guy you view as a franchise QB is on the board and you need a QB then you stay put and take him. IMO if the skins trade down then the rumors of how much they like Locker were overblown or completely untrue.

celts32
04-13-2011, 03:32 PM
I don't know why you were worry about Ponder not being there at 41. Look at Colt McCoy last year. 2010 as we know produced at least 2 quality QB's. maybe 3 if Tebow pans out. McCoy probably should have gone in the early second at least but dropped to the early 3rd because of concerns about durability. Ponder has those same concerns, in fact they're probably worse in his case.

On top of that McCoy had a much more storied career. Ponder's only advantage over McCoy is that he came from a pro style offense. Also, McCoy didn't have to compete with the number of QB's that Ponder has had to over the course of this draft process.

In McCoy's range, as it turns out his only competition was Clausen, maybe Tebow as well. Ponder has to compete with Kaepernick, Dalton, Mallet, and maybe even Locker.

Unless we take him at 41 it will be very likely to see Ponder fall to the third on draft weekend, and this is coming from someone that likes Ponder more then any of the other QB's in this class including Gabbert.

Hard to compare this draft to other years since there has not been any free agency nor do we know for sure that there will be. There is a belief that all the teams that have uncertainty at the QB position are going to try and solve their problem in the draft since they can't bank on free agency. That could cause the top 5 or 6 QB's in this draft to go higher then they might have in a normal year.

Dirtbag59
04-13-2011, 03:38 PM
Hard to compare this draft to other years since there has not been any free agency nor do we know for sure that there will be. There is a belief that all the teams that have uncertainty at the QB position are going to try and solve their problem in the draft since they can't bank on free agency. That could cause the top 5 or 6 QB's in this draft to go higher then they might have in a normal year.

I agree with you on the point that no free agency might create a better sense of urgency, but it could also have a reverse effect on QB hungry teams, as many of them might look at it as possibly the best free agent/trading block (Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger) QB class ever and could easily be willing to be a little to patient on draft day.

Still even if a QB hungry team gets a sense of urgency with Ponder, I feel that he will at best be pushed up to the late second round, unless of course the Skins take him due to that fact that they don't pick until the 4th or 5th round after 41.

SmootSmack
04-13-2011, 03:45 PM
When it comes to any other position I agree that its smart drafting but if a guy you view as a franchise QB is on the board and you need a QB then you stay put and take him. IMO if the skins trade down then the rumors of how much they like Locker were overblown or completely untrue.

Well, people can change their opinions of a player of the course of several months so the rumors wouldn't be untrue or overblown, just maybe a bit outdated.

celts32
04-13-2011, 03:47 PM
I agree with you on the point that no free agency might create a better sense of urgency, but it could also have a reverse effect on QB hungry teams, as many of them might look at it as possibly the best free agent/trading block (Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger) QB class ever and could easily be willing to be a little to patient on draft day.

Still even if a QB hungry team gets a sense of urgency with Ponder, I feel that he will at best be pushed up to the late second round, unless of course the Skins take him due to that fact that they don't pick until the 4th or 5th round after 41.

Possible but i tend to think 5 QB's will be gone by #41. And I think this lockout hurt the skins more then most teams becasue it's very possible that after all those QB's you mentioned changed teams we may have been able to get locker at #41 but now that's a pipe dream.

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