2011 NFL Draft


Lotus
01-06-2011, 12:04 PM
2011 NFL mock draft has four quarterbacks in top 10 - Andrew Perloff - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andrew_perloff/01/05/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin)

^Sports Illustrated has us picking Cam Newton....... IDK if you would consider Jake Plummer mobile?

Yes, especially early in his career Plummer was very mobile.

My 2 cents:
we won't draft Mallett because he doesn't have Shanny mobility
we won't draft Newton because he lacks a Shanny arm

SBXVII
01-06-2011, 02:23 PM
I thought it was a pretty accurate assessment. His overall assessment that Shanahan couldn't make much progress & that he added to the drama at Redskin Park is spot on IMO. I'm not saying Shan. is to blame for all of it, but for various reasons McNabb & AH became the story of the team rather than its play on the field. Shan. does deserve some blame for that. The only thing I would've added is that in fairness to Shan. & Allen, changing this team is a big task & if nothing else this year proved that it couldn't be done quickly, but not due to lack of effort on thier part. They definitely set the tone & made some changes.

His point about things going downhill after the detroit game was pretty much on as well. And the 3-4 defense transition, but that's been obvious to all of us.

I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS (http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717)

Nice article.

MTK
01-06-2011, 02:27 PM
I think it's safe to say the media's perception and the internal perception from the players are night and day.

SBXVII
01-06-2011, 02:28 PM
Here's just one point of view...

Shanahan's insistence on treating each player the same and playing the best players, regardless of contract or name, was widely embraced inside a locker room that was eager to change a structure that resulted in years of losing.

"The past few years, you had players cussing out the head coach, players doing whatever they wanted to do," Sellers said. "Now that doesn't happen anymore. There's no more prima donnas on the team. We're all just individuals trying to get one goal, and that's to win. It's a nice feeling to have."

MTK
01-06-2011, 02:32 PM
I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS (http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717)

Nice article.

Good quote that I think shines some new light:

"I wish I would have handled the one in Detroit a little bit differently," Shanahan admitted on Monday. "I should have been a little bit more honest than I was. Sometimes you do things to protect players and at the same time you're actually hurting them."

SmootSmack
01-06-2011, 02:41 PM
I think Tryon put it best when talking about what the Redskins environment used (emphasis mine) to be like

Redskins Insider - Justin Tryon says playing for Colts is 'night and day' difference from Redskins (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/justin-tryon-says-playing-for.html)

Unfortunately it was also like that in 1997,1998,1999,2000,2002, and 2003 as well. not in 2001. I'm guessing not in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

Hog1
01-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Good quote that I think shines some new light:

"I wish I would have handled the one in Detroit a little bit differently," Shanahan admitted on Monday. "I should have been a little bit more honest than I was. Sometimes you do things to protect players and at the same time you're actually hurting them."

I have no problem believing that and I think basically most people thought it was something like this all along. What's the alternative? DM has been stinking it up all year and I need to get some SOB in here that can hit a reciever other than his....feet.
AT LEAST in part was he protecting DM.

freddyg12
01-06-2011, 03:14 PM
I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS (http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717)

Nice article.

Assuming you were referring to my comments as one of the "people" that "want to point fingers and place blame" I think the article above doesn't change my statements much if at all. In fact Shan admits that he wished he'd handled the mcnabb situation better in the detroit game, so he's accepted some blame.

I also noted that he & Allen set a new tone & made some major changes, but there's only so much that could be done in one year. Just to be clear, I wasn't placing blame for the mcnabb & AH debacles on Shan, but it's clear from this article that Shan. is taking some blame himself. As a head coach he should.

Just to play devil's advocate, there are only a couple guys quoted in this story. While I believe the spirit of the article, there were times this season when the locker room seemed in disarray & the team performed as poorly as it had under Spurrier. Only in 2 games though.

SBXVII
01-06-2011, 03:24 PM
Freddy, I didn't mean to single you out and some of what you said is true. Shanahan said right after the first McNabb incident he should have handled it differently. Honestly I don't have a problem with how it was handled. McNabb kept throwing dirt balls or over throwing his receivers. Did anyone think or get the feel McNabb would run our 2 min. drill like Payton Manning runs his? You'd be crazy to think so. Which is why I wondered why it took so long to use Grossman in the last 2 min. of any game previously. What I didn't think was right or fair was throwing in Grossman in the last 2 min. of a game when he has not taken very many reps with the starting team and not thrown a ball in a live game since preseason. It was unfair to Grossman to just throw him in and expect a miracle.

Now the real wonder is did either Shanahan mention to McNabb that he might be replaced for Grossman for the last 3 games and McNabb half listened or did they just seem to over look telling McNabb and made the change on Thurs. of that week? There is two sides to every story and all we've heard is McNabb's cause the Shanahan's are not talking about it.

As far as Haynesworth? I aplaud what they have done. Time to set examples.

SmootSmack
01-06-2011, 03:34 PM
Luck's staying at Stanford

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