Postal Service posts $8.5 billion loss

I pay for garbage removal, therefore I'm paying to toss it out.

I thought that's what you where saying but trash service will not drop its prices if junk mail stopped. Actually if junk mail stopped it would cost you money in postage because junk mail must pay a good chunk of the Postal income.

Thanks but I still hate junk mail. It's a waste of my time and a waste of paper. I rarely use the USPS so another rate hike wouldn't bother me.

I probably am being hypocritical on this, but really... 8.5billion in the red to keep mail service available to every address in the US. Maybe it should get the ax, but anyone who tried SS's NYTimes budget balancing thing realizes that 8.5Billion don't mean squat in the scheme of things. If we get Defense, SocialSec, Medicare, etc down to where 8.5billion balances the budget, then hack it, hack it to pieces. Until then, cutting it can be looked at 2 ways, 1- a meaningless throwaway that politicians can use for campaign fluff, or 2- a creation of a hardship on people in rural areas for a function that government has been tasked with since the 1800's to allow for politicians to get their pet projects funded

Thanks but I still hate junk mail. It's a waste of my time and a waste of paper. I rarely use the USPS so another rate hike wouldn't bother me.

I don't mail much personally but my business does. I try to fax, email, set customers up on ebill, but there is still a large % who don't like that and want a bill. Hell I get 5 to 10 people who come into my office to pay their bill by check and then want a receipt. That I don't get. I can give people a 15% discount off their auto ins. if they do automatic withdraw and ebill and only about 40% of the people will sign up for that.

I probably am being hypocritical on this, but really... 8.5billion in the red to keep mail service available to every address in the US. Maybe it should get the ax, but anyone who tried SS's NYTimes budget balancing thing realizes that 8.5Billion don't mean squat in the scheme of things. If we get Defense, SocialSec, Medicare, etc down to where 8.5billion balances the budget, then hack it, hack it to pieces. Until then, cutting it can be looked at 2 ways, 1- a meaningless throwaway that politicians can use for campaign fluff, or 2- a creation of a hardship on people in rural areas for a function that government has been tasked with since the 1800's to allow for politicians to get their pet projects funded

That's the thinking we need to get away from. I feel if we start getting every federal employee or person working for the goverment to find ways to save $100 here and $100 there then we start to make a dent in this problem. Its not always the other persons waisted money that's the problem. Its time for everyone to watch what they spend.

I don't mail much personally but my business does. I try to fax, email, set customers up on ebill, but there is still a large % who don't like that and want a bill. Hell I get 5 to 10 people who come into my office to pay their bill by check and then want a receipt. That I don't get. I can give people a 15% discount off their auto ins. if they do automatic withdraw and ebill and only about 40% of the people will sign up for that.Some companies are still weird about paying online. I pay all of my bills online now except for my water bill because those F'ers charge me a $3 service fee for anything other than a mailed check.
So I could pay $3 every month for my $13 water bill or I could pay $.044. Um, tough choice.

That's the thinking we need to get away from. I feel if we start getting every federal employee or person working for the goverment to find ways to save $100 here and $100 there then we start to make a dent in this problem. Its not always the other persons waisted money that's the problem. Its time for everyone to watch what they spend.

Our governments issues is not the nickel and dime type problems. It is the approx 66% of the "non discretionary" spending that will solve the problems. I am sorry, but 100 here or 100 there doesn't cut it.

The solution, at least for "rational" people is not to cut the legitimate and long standing processes of government, but to cut the overgrown monstrosity that it has become.

Should the post office do what it can to run at a 0 net loss, sure, but don't let saving those few billion detract from what should be the bigger goal of getting the government back under control.

Our governments issues is not the nickel and dime type problems. It is the approx 66% of the "non discretionary" spending that will solve the problems. I am sorry, but 100 here or 100 there doesn't cut it.

The solution, at least for "rational" people is not to cut the legitimate and long standing processes of government, but to cut the overgrown monstrosity that it has become.

Should the post office do what it can to run at a 0 net loss, sure, but don't let saving those few billion detract from what should be the bigger goal of getting the government back under control.

I'd say that what started the problem and its the real way to start and fix the problem. Look at the people here that are saying that 8.6 billions is no big deal in the larger picture. See if you teach people how to not waist $100 then its much easier to teach them how not to waist $1000, $100,000 , 1,000,000,0000, etc.... Any business person know when you need to cut cost you start with the easy smaller cuts and work your way up.

I'd say that what started the problem and its the real way to start and fix the problem. Look at the people here that are saying that 8.6 billions is no big deal in the larger picture. See if you teach people how to not waist $100 then its much easier to teach them how not to waist $1000, $100,000 , 1,000,000,0000, etc.... Any business person know when you need to cut cost you start with the easy smaller cuts and work your way up.

What started the problem, was when citizens (poor and rich) start looking to the government for handouts. And even more so, when our government, and the people by extension, decided to get caught up in foreign entanglements. I understand your thought process, but you are letting the numbers cloud your process.
Currently the national debt is:
$ 1 3 , 7 9 6 , 1 8 6 , 8 8 8 , 5 2 5 . 0 6
post office loss
$ 0 0 , 0 0 8 , 5 0 0 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0

putting this in perspective: if a company is running a $14,000 dollar debt, and you go to the owner and say our telemarketing unit lost $8.50 last year, Chances are the owner will say "well see what you can do." and focus on the retirement plan that is running $3000 in debt or the transportation and security concerns that are running $4500 in debt.

What started the problem, was when citizens (poor and rich) start looking to the government for handouts. And even more so, when our government, and the people by extension, decided to get caught up in foreign entanglements. I understand your thought process, but you are letting the numbers cloud your process.
Currently the national debt is:
$ 1 3 , 7 9 6 , 1 8 6 , 8 8 8 , 5 2 5 . 0 6
post office loss
$ 0 0 , 0 0 8 , 5 0 0 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0

putting this in perspective: if a company is running a $14,000 dollar debt, and you go to the owner and say our telemarketing unit lost $8.50 last year, Chances are the owner will say "well see what you can do." and focus on the retirement plan that is running $3000 in debt or the transportation and security concerns that are running $4500 in debt.

Well a telemarking dept. is suppose to generate money so if its loosing money that's a bigger issue. Also a retirment accounts allways cost money (cost of having employees) and never makes money so thats a poor example. Your other examples are also cost to a business and never make money so they are also poor examples.