this team sucks

How do you force someone to have surgery? Do you threaten to cut him? What do you do if he says, "So cut me. I'll get the surgery after you cut me and then get another fat signing bonus somewhere else. Take you threats and stick them up your butt."

Do you kidnap him and drug him and smuggle him into the OR with your surgeons waiting there to take over?




What team will give him a big fat signing bonus knowing that he needs the surgery...I think he won't get any good offers until after he has the surgery...So if he threatens, as you say, to do it after we cut him he's gonna lose out on an entire season becuase he won't be on a team. Then maybe once he is healed he would probably get picked up again.

If he is a true Redskin, he will do what is best for the Team. If he's too concerned with himself then he's not a Joe Gibbs kinda player. We've got plenty of other receivers who can step up and take over his spot. I for one don't want to see him go but we need a team full of "team players" rather than individuals if we are going to see any improvements in the next year or two. Otherwise how is next year or the year after going to be any different than any of the last twelve years..."Team" attitude and consistency of staff and players are two things we haven't seen in a long time and it's about time we do.

Gibbs seems to love Coles for his toughness, so I'd say he is a Gibbs kinda guy.

I think this whole needing surgery thing has really been blown out of proportion.

He was told surgery could possibly end his career, so it's obviously not a routine procedure.

I guess if he's a true Redskin he should take that chance? Easy for us to say, but this is his career we're talking about.

The whole Coles thing is a really touchy subject, and I defintley see both sides of the story. I just think its very obvious that Coles dropped off as soon as this toe thing started, so I'm for surgery. But Mattys right, its easy for me to say beacuse I dont have to go through it. I just hope Coles makes the right decision for the team and himself.

Trade Him. If he won't be the #1 receiver we're paying him to be, then ship him out to somewhere else and try to sign a badass receiver.

Who is going to trade for damaged goods?

Someone will take him. We won't get a high pick but we'll clear enough cap room to sign another big name receiver.

Ill be watching a Skins game, we'll get the ball first and goal. I KNOW we are going to lineup with no receviers on first and second down and hand the ball off twice.
1. The way our O-line has played this year, Joe has to put in the "BIG" package to have half a chance of moving the ball inside the 10. No big secret there. It's also statistically proven that the passing game becomes more difficult inside the 20 because there is less space to operate, so Joe is going to go with what has the best chance of success. It seems so many people love to bash Gibbs play calling whether we abandon the running game or rely on it too heavily. I wish we'd make up our minds!

We dotn try anythign fancy, we dont even have a wideout to have some sort of an option out there. Then after two failed attemps I know we are going to try and throw it to a TE, but we still might only have one receiver out.
2. It's no big secret that Gardner has been one of our most inconsistent receivers the whole year and Coles has been hampered since his injury. Cooley probably is our best pair of hands on the offense so why not throw it to him?

The problem with our passing game is that we never gave brunell more than two options to throw at. If both of them were covered whats he supposed to do. They usually dont even let portis pop out and dump it off for a screen pass to keep the D honest.
3. Failing to mention here that options or not Brunell didn't have the combination of arm strength and accuracy to complete a pass period. We could have run a Spurrier style offense with a half dozen passing options and he still couldn't have completed more than half his attempts.

Someone will take him. We won't get a high pick but we'll clear enough cap room to sign another big name receiver.
and we'll have to eat a sizeable cap hit in the process

A true Redskin will decide to have surgery that may make him a good player again or possibly end his career entirely because it will be better for the team?

Tell that to the players who get cut or released by the Redskins and who are out of jobs like Trotter or Armstead. Tell that to Mark Brunell when you don't honor the 3rd 4th and 5th years of the contract you signed with him.

The NFL is a business. Coles has a contract with the Redskins. They can pay him or they can cut him. They really don't have a lot of other choices because he's not going to bring much in a trade if the reason you are trading him is that he needs surgery that he may or nay not elect to undergo. He - and no one else - is going to decide on whether or not he has surgery.

And if you met him in a bar some night and gave him that "true Redskin line", my guess is that he'd laugh a long time.

Good points SC and I agree 110%.