this team sucks

see your wrong, name me a running back that has left denver in the past 10 years that has gone to have similar #'s. there are none.... dont get me wrong portis is a good back top 5 but he's 2 damn small for our system. your gonna tell me that stephen jackson would've done less for us this year. cant say that but he would have cost 10x's less.

they are'nt that bad,with a few more breaks,and a lot less officiating blunders,under& over rthrows and all in all bad luck,they could easily be at 500 now.

the skins don't need an overhaul, they just need time. take a look at the teams doing really well this year ( eagles, steelers, etc. ) they have had basically the same core group of guys ( players and coaches ) for a couple of years.

Just curious but was Emmit Smith a system back? I tend to belive that he was. I am not trying to say that Protis is Emmit or anything, just seeing what people think.

Hard to say 8588. Besides Arizona you never saw him in another pro system in his prime. I'm positive if he didn't have that line, fullback, and QB/Receiver threat that he wouldn't be today's all-time leading rusher.

Hard to say 8588. Besides Arizona you never saw him in another pro system in his prime. I'm positive if he didn't have that line, fullback, and QB/Receiver threat that he wouldn't be today's all-time leading rusher.

Thats why I think that he was a system back, I mean in his prime put him in to another system and would he still be that dangerous??

yea i think he was a system back but a good one never the less. barry sanders on the other hand would have been successfull anywere. just my thoughts.

we must cut the following players, brunnell, barrow, morton, and daniels. i know its ALOT of dead cap space for 2005 but it needs to be done. next is we need players who want to play, players who have a someting to prove, they are young players... that means Draft picks. something were lacking agina this year. i hope we dont win another game. Why you ask? cause mike willaims the top player in this draft can be trade bait, ie san diego chargers 2 #1's. trade samuels, moliona will be more than ready. trade gardener i dont care if its for a 4 or 5th rounder. if someone wants him trade portis(look at denver do they miss him)no. take the salary cap hit w/ that. we NEED to build within.

Trading two #1's (one of which will probably be around #12 and the other somewhere around #20) for our #3-6 would be a very good idea if San Diego would bite.

However, I don't see how you can say Molinaro would be ready to fill in for Samuels. What have you seen that I haven't? He hasn't seen the field all that much this year.
It would be pretty risky to put an unproven, 2nd year, former-7th rounder in at starting LT.

Get rid or Portis? Okay, now that's just crazy. First, we're going to take a cap hit of $10 million. Second, he's been running behind an offense that can't throw the ball more than 15 yards and so he's got 10 defensive players in his junk before the ball is snapped. Third, this is Clinton Portis; I think he's proven his mettle.

Trade Gardner for a 4th or 5th rounder? First, he doesn't have a high cap figure. Second, he is worth more than a 4th or 5th rounder. Third, most 4th or 5th rounders are lucky to be in the league for more than 4 years. Fourth, I like finding good picks in the lower rounds, but it's not that easy. Fifth, it's not Gardner's just isn't working in an otherwise brilliant offense.

Our current roster, coaches, and game plans aren't working, but you should figure out what is wrong before you go and make a bunch of hasty decisions. Cutting all those guys you mentioned would pretty much make this an expansion team next year (a bunch of guys working together for the first time). I understand the frustration, but come on, we need consistency not panicky moves that shake up the roster, coaching staff, and the entire organization.

agreed we are shit... but it will only take time... a few minor fixes but we cant yet again overhaul the team unless you're trying to suck for 3 more seasons. we'll be good again not next year, but the next after that with some continuity

I agree with all comments about not overhauling the entire team. Here are a few ideas for improving the team:

1. Unless Samuels accepts a major pay cut, trade him for a decent veteran qb. We don't need someone with an incredible arm or scrambling ability. Just a smart player with good accuracy and leadership skills. If Gibbs could turn Mark Rypien into a Super Bowl MVP and a Pro Bowler, he can certainly do it with a decent quarterback.

2. Use Gardner as part of the Samuels trade; we already have Thrash, McCants, and Jacobs. We have more than enough depth at that position, especially for a Gibbs offense.

3. Draft an offensive lineman or receiver in the first round (it depends on which position has the most talented player available). Use the second round to pick up the next position. Take a pash rushing de in the third round, someone we can send in on third and long. Use the final rounds to add depth at necessary positions.